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shaz
Joined: 21 Aug 2005
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:09 am
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Had another strawberry sale today :)
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gracey
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Posts: 2418
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:15 am
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| smcrae wrote: | | While I can understand why professional photographers get a big kick out of belittling amateur-level photographs that are represented on microstock sites, I find that copying and posting a particular rant to a microstock site a touch degrading. But hey, I'm sure it's a form of entertainment to some -- I was entertained enough to write an amateur-level response ;) |
I don't think that was the purpose (guess I can't say for sure since I didn't post it). There's plenty of amateur photographers here who produce superb work.
We all see the complaints side of review in the critique forum, but most of us don't think to look at it from the reviewer's point. |
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fotosmurf04
Joined: 26 May 2005
Posts: 116
Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:21 am
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I think it is a great post and definitely something worth reading for people who are just starting out. I also don't think it was meant to belittle in any way. What I do think it was meant to do is to make people aware of what they are sending in!
Some people really have no idea what the word "editing" of your photos means. They go out, shoot a memory card full and upload all (including the out of focus, bad lighting etc. shots). Hence the 45 shots of the same subject. Who would not start to get grumpy about that???
If they (we) would search the sites, look at what is already there, look at composition, to name just a few.. then I am sure a lot of the reviewers would be much happier! |
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elenathewise
Joined: 05 Dec 2005
Posts: 118
Location: Toronto, Canada
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:23 am
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| gracey wrote: | | smcrae wrote: | | While I can understand why professional photographers get a big kick out of belittling amateur-level photographs that are represented on microstock sites, I find that copying and posting a particular rant to a microstock site a touch degrading. But hey, I'm sure it's a form of entertainment to some -- I was entertained enough to write an amateur-level response ;) |
I don't think that was the purpose (guess I can't say for sure since I didn't post it). There's plenty of amateur photographers here who produce superb work.
We all see the complaints side of review in the critique forum, but most of us don't think to look at it from the reviewer's point. |
Ya, but what is the point? "Don't submit images that I am BORED off"??? This business is not about entertaining a reviewer, or is it? |
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gracey
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:34 am
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| elenathewise wrote: | | gracey wrote: | | smcrae wrote: | | While I can understand why professional photographers get a big kick out of belittling amateur-level photographs that are represented on microstock sites, I find that copying and posting a particular rant to a microstock site a touch degrading. But hey, I'm sure it's a form of entertainment to some -- I was entertained enough to write an amateur-level response ;) |
I don't think that was the purpose (guess I can't say for sure since I didn't post it). There's plenty of amateur photographers here who produce superb work.
We all see the complaints side of review in the critique forum, but most of us don't think to look at it from the reviewer's point. |
Ya, but what is the point? "Don't submit images that I am BORED off"??? This business is not about entertaining a reviewer, or is it? |
I don't know about what other's find the point is - for me it reminded me to look at both sides of the issue, not just my own.
We could nitpic all day about the details of the article - I chose to overlook them (though some made me smile) and look instead for something that could affect my work positively.
This isn't about entertaining a reviewer either - it's about producing professional quality work that will stand up to scrutiny. |
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Pete Bax
Joined: 30 Jan 2005
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Location: Brighton England
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:40 am
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I think people who laugh at others who they think are inferior to themselves are sick people and the cause of most of todays problems. Most English people who are my generation were brought up to laugh at most other races. It took a game of soccer to proove us wrong, and that British is not always Best, now we have learned that everyone should be repected, and we are a lot better for it. I think the rule of respect should be accepted everywhere even on SS. What I find offensive about this post is the lack of respect shown to beginners. I think if you are going to post this you should be even handed and ask a beginner his oppinion. I have found some reviewers on here to be wonderful and helpful I have also found the opposite.
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marymary
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Posts: 32
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:42 am
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| smcrae wrote: | | While I can understand why professional photographers get a big kick out of belittling amateur-level photographs that are represented on microstock sites, I find that copying and posting a particular rant to a microstock site a touch degrading. But hey, I'm sure it's a form of entertainment to some -- I was entertained enough to write an amateur-level response ;) |
I am going to have to go with you on this one. Geez. Sorry it's not more entertaining. It's your job. I don't always like my job either, but I do it and they pay me. That's our arrangement. It's not like this guy is a fireman running into the burning building to save another human- cause I hear that gets tedious too. |
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connellyink
Joined: 17 Sep 2005
Posts: 376
Location: MA
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:48 am
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| Pete Bax wrote: | | I think if you are going to post this you should be even handed and ask a beginner his oppinion. |
I think the beginner's perspective is featured on the forums daily.
I'm no pro (which I've heard defined as someone making the majority of their income at it), but I think that a great many people dive into photography with all the good intentions in the world and very little technical or creative ability. Some will improve - others will not. To have to go through these submissions to find the gems has to be a grueling process that only a true masochist would get a kick out of.
Perhaps we could hear the other side of the reviewers tale, Laurin...the experience of finding those wonderful photos that are sure to be best-sellers.
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leafsomen
Joined: 23 Apr 2006
Posts: 209
Location: Edmonton
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:48 am
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LMAO..LOL...that is sooo funny man..oh my...good post I'll pay more respect..but at least I know now that I dont do that bad when it comes to submissions..some people are worse than I thought. |
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elenathewise
Joined: 05 Dec 2005
Posts: 118
Location: Toronto, Canada
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:49 am
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| gracey wrote: | | elenathewise wrote: | | gracey wrote: | | smcrae wrote: | | While I can understand why professional photographers get a big kick out of belittling amateur-level photographs that are represented on microstock sites, I find that copying and posting a particular rant to a microstock site a touch degrading. But hey, I'm sure it's a form of entertainment to some -- I was entertained enough to write an amateur-level response ;) |
I don't think that was the purpose (guess I can't say for sure since I didn't post it). There's plenty of amateur photographers here who produce superb work.
We all see the complaints side of review in the critique forum, but most of us don't think to look at it from the reviewer's point. |
Ya, but what is the point? "Don't submit images that I am BORED off"??? This business is not about entertaining a reviewer, or is it? |
I don't know about what other's find the point is - for me it reminded me to look at both sides of the issue, not just my own.
We could nitpic all day about the details of the article - I chose to overlook them (though some made me smile) and look instead for something that could affect my work positively.
This isn't about entertaining a reviewer either - it's about producing professional quality work that will stand up to scrutiny. |
Hmm, but isn't that a given?;-) I mean there will always be strange people out there that will submit strange pictures (although how did they get accepted to be photographers here then?...) and it's a part of reviewer's job to deal with that crap. But there are also many good and diligent people who take statements like "i am sick of strawberries" as an order that they should never even come close with their cameras to the poor strawberries. Which is a shame because maybe a nice strawbery shot of that person would be a best seller here. You know what I mean? Anyhow, am burying my hatchet now - if for some people it's a reminder to do better, why not:) |
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gracey
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Posts: 2418
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:52 am
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| Quote: | | I think people who laugh at others who they think are inferior to themselves are sick people and the cause of most of todays problems. |
I laugh at myself far more than I laugh at others.
| Quote: | | What I find offensive about this post is the lack of respect shown to beginners. |
I'm no beginner, but I could certainly apply a lot of that post to some of my own work. It isn't about beginners - it's about everyone and no one.
| Quote: | | It's your job. I don't always like my job either, but I do it and they pay me. |
I agree, it's their job. I don't know about anyone else but I've had plenty of jobs that I got paid for, liked sometimes, didn't like other times, and complained loudly when anyone would listen.
What's with everyone today?
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| Quote: | | Which is a shame because maybe a nice strawbery shot of that person would be a best seller here. You know what I mean? |
I have strawberries too...who doesn't :D , yes I know what you mean...
...didn't think you were carrying a hatchet, lol. |
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mihaicalin
Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 41
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 10:00 am
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what I can't stop wondering is: how did this guy take his time to write that much after a hard exhausting 10 hours working day. |
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tinoni
Joined: 26 Apr 2006
Posts: 101
Location: http://pixphoto.wordpress.com/
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 10:18 am
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now I am afraid of submitting my pictures... afraid the reviewer may commit suicide! LOL |
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scamp
Joined: 15 Nov 2005
Posts: 529
Location: Oregon, USA
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 10:28 am
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I can easily see how being a reviewer would make a person jaded. I think this person (Anonymous Reviewer) needs to give up his/her day job and become a comedian because this is funny! |
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looby
Joined: 15 May 2005
Posts: 182
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 10:29 am
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Fun reading! It all goes beyond my logic though, Don`t they want to sell? Are people deliberately uploading low quality stuff because it is micro stock?
I agree that the subject is not to blame, but the quality, (and when I talk about quality I dont mean noise and blown hightlights,artifacts bla bla. that some photographers seem to be obsessed with)
I tend to be exatly the opposite, I have lots of photos that will never see the light of the day, even though they would probably get accepted and sell, I always want to improve upon them, never satisfied, but maybe that`s just me. |
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