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pcbueg71
Joined: 03 Nov 2007
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Location: Half-way Between Heaven and Santa Fe
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:59 am
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In the USA citizens kill more felons than the police. States that have adopted "right to carry" and the "castle doctrine" have seen a decrease in [robbery- burglar] crime! |
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hojo
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Posts: 134
Location: Ohio
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:22 pm
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| pcbueg71 wrote: | | In the USA citizens kill more felons than the police. States that have adopted "right to carry" and the "castle doctrine" have seen a decrease in [robbery- burglar] crime! |
awesome! |
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hojo
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Posts: 134
Location: Ohio
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:30 pm
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| mirage3 wrote: | | I can't even bring myself to read the all thing but are you seriously talking about taking someone's life over stuff?... I'll go with Dave and the insurance... (although I am sure you rightfully feel very violated having someone in your house taking your belongings while you are there no less... that I absolutely empathize with...IMO: get a dog instead of a gun...) |
I guess in my eyes they forfeited their lives the second they decided to rob me. Its not even about the loss of property or anything, kinda crappy thing is I did not have insurance either, but like I said luckily they took my least valuable stuff, except for the rz67 210mm f/4.5 APO which is a real gem. But anyway, if I am robbed again or someone breaks in my house while I am home, I have no way of knowing what their intent really is. There have been a string of home invasions here by Somalians lately where the criminals raped the children in the house and horrifically tortured and mutilated them along with the parents. Basically I am not going to wait around and ask them politely what their intentions are, if they do not immediately run I know I can sleep soundly at night if I had to take them out. |
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copidosoma
Joined: 17 Nov 2009
Posts: 3917
Location: Canada
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:36 pm
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| hojo wrote: | | mirage3 wrote: | | I can't even bring myself to read the all thing but are you seriously talking about taking someone's life over stuff?... I'll go with Dave and the insurance... (although I am sure you rightfully feel very violated having someone in your house taking your belongings while you are there no less... that I absolutely empathize with...IMO: get a dog instead of a gun...) |
I guess in my eyes they forfeited their lives the second they decided to rob me. Its not even about the loss of property or anything, kinda crappy thing is I did not have insurance either, but like I said luckily they took my least valuable stuff, except for the rz67 210mm f/4.5 APO which is a real gem. But anyway, if I am robbed again or someone breaks in my house while I am home, I have no way of knowing what their intent really is. There have been a string of home invasions here by Somalians lately where the criminals raped the children in the house and horrifically tortured and mutilated them along with the parents. Basically I am not going to wait around and ask them politely what their intentions are, if they do not immediately run I know I can sleep soundly at night if I had to take them out. |
enjoy living in (self imposed) fear.
And lock your door. |
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hhltdave5
Joined: 20 Jun 2006
Posts: 24302
Location: Our Stock, Food & Portrait photography books at www.rindersmithphotography.com
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:43 pm
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I know to many it is only a matter of semantics but what took place in this incident is not a robbery, no one got robbed. It was a burglary.
Robbery is the taking of property from someone by force or threat of force. Burglary is the unlawful entry into a home/boat/garage etc and unlawfully committing a theft or other felony therein. Robbery is a crimes against a person and burglary is a crime against property.
This does not diminish the feeling of violation at all. It's just important to use the correct terminology especially when reporting an incident like this to the police. How the units respond depends on what the crime actually was.
I know this may seem picky but it just brings out the ex cop in me :) Please carry on with your discussion. |
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farbled
Joined: 12 Aug 2006
Posts: 371
Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 2:04 pm
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| hhltdave5 wrote: | I know to many it is only a matter of semantics but what took place in this incident is not a robbery, no one got robbed. It was a burglary.
Robbery is the taking of property from someone by force or threat of force. Burglary is the unlawful entry into a home/boat/garage etc and unlawfully committing a theft or other felony therein. Robbery is a crimes against a person and burglary is a crime against property.
This does not diminish the feeling of violation at all. It's just important to use the correct terminology especially when reporting an incident like this to the police. How the units respond depends on what the crime actually was.
I know this may seem picky but it just brings out the ex cop in me :) Please carry on with your discussion. |
Point taken. I was burgled then, as they forced open my front door. Luckily, it was during the day so no one was home. The stole all my cameras, laptops and various other electronics, packed them in my suitcases (I had a business trip the next day) and walked out of the building. Security cameras in the lobby showed 2 guys in suits, so you can just never tell.... |
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jeffbanke
Joined: 18 Dec 2005
Posts: 17518
Location: www.xlr8photo.com, The real California
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:40 pm
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As Dave pointed out I have been a firearms instructor for more than 20 years, am now a Training Counselor, which means I train Instructors, teach pistol classes twice a month, am 65 soon and have been shooting since I was 13, competitively since I was 15, so have a lifetime of experience, and can assure you of one thing - A firearm in the hands of someone without training does NOT level the playing field! rather gives the perp the opportunity to shoot you with your own gun, due to lack of familiarity or the sudden realization that you don't have it loaded, or have what it takes to pull the trigger on another person.
There is a great book that I recommend to all our students called "Buy a gun and stay out of Jail", written by a lawyer in layman's terms. |
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okiepony
Joined: 06 Apr 2010
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Location: Finally There! :)
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:57 pm
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I didn't read through the replies yet, but you also have to remember one thing....
Even if you have an intruder in your house, if they're fleeing from you - like you said this guy did when he saw you - you can't shoot them without getting in trouble. When they run away the threat is going away, so you have no legal right to shoot no matter how much of your stuff they're carrying with them.
Shoot them in the back and you're in jail. |
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mikeledray
Joined: 14 Nov 2004
Posts: 17943
Location: http://www.partytimephotobooth.net
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duneratt
Joined: 25 Sep 2006
Posts: 1514
Location: Egypt?... I'm in a deep state of deNile...
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:41 am
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Lol @ Mike! Right on, dude! |
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mikeledray
Joined: 14 Nov 2004
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Location: http://www.partytimephotobooth.net
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 8:32 am
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| duneratt wrote: | | Lol @ Mike! Right on, dude! |
:) |
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komarinasia
Joined: 02 Aug 2007
Posts: 181
Location: at my desk
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:33 pm
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| hhltdave5 wrote: |
One of my fellow police officers was being attacked by a man with a butcher knife. The officer fired, missed his target, the bullet ricocheted and hit me. That is why I get a bit edgy when everyone starts talking about picking up a gun and shooting at people.
Cameras and personal belongings are nothing but property and can be replaced. That is why we have insurance. |
Great words. We are all capable of doing things in the heat of the moment which could have consequences which span for years. If you shot at someone and it ricocheted and maimed or even killed someone that was not an offending party, not only would u feel a life time of guilt, you may also lose the freedom you value, which is even more valuable than the goods which were stolen. I once did something so stupid in the heat of the moment, because 2 people intentionally damaged my car. They were on a motorbike at the time, they were not robbing me, but just being malicious. I was angry and I used my car to...well I'm sure you can guess. Amazingly, they left with probably only cuts and bruises. My car was in the garage for quite a few days, largely due to my own actions and not theirs. It happened a while ago, but I still think about the incident sometimes, and I think that my life could be completely different now had they been seriously harmed or worse. |
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rudyumans
Joined: 19 Aug 2008
Posts: 10698
Location: www.businesshelpforyou.org www.rudyumans.com
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:43 pm
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| komarinasia wrote: | | It happened a while ago, but I still think about the incident sometimes, and I think that my life could be completely different now had they been seriously harmed or worse. |
or if they would have been members of a particular motorcycle club. |
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drwho
Joined: 01 May 2006
Posts: 898
Location: Paulerspury, Northants, England
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semmickphoto
Joined: 12 Feb 2012
Posts: 6632
Location: Stuck between a shutter and a hard place
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:57 am
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| copidosoma wrote: | | mirage3 wrote: | | I can't even bring myself to read the all thing but are you seriously talking about taking someone's life over stuff?... I'll go with Dave and the insurance... (although I am sure you rightfully feel very violated having someone in your house taking your belongings while you are there no less... that I absolutely empathize with...IMO: get a dog instead of a gun...) |
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You beat me to it.
It is folks like the OP that give gun owners a bad name.
Get some insurance and lock your door. |
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EDIT: old thread alert |
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