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shaunpugh
Joined: 22 Nov 2011
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:59 pm
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Hi,
I'm new to the site and new to stock photography, but I"m quickly realising that A) I need to improve my skills to create 'stock' photos rather than just snapshot and B), my existing camera body (EOS 20D) doesn't have the resolution for stock (macro, still life, fine art).
At this point I could go out and buy a very expensive body, but that's not necessarily the right thing to do, and besides I need a new lens or two in addition to the body. So my question is what camera body are you using? I don't want to buy a 5D MK II for example if a 60D will do the job.
Thanks
Shaun |
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hhltdave5
Joined: 20 Jun 2006
Posts: 24049
Location: Our Stock, Food & Portrait photography books at www.rindersmithphotography.com
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:56 pm
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| shaunpugh wrote: | Hi,
I'm new to the site and new to stock photography, but I"m quickly realising that A) I need to improve my skills to create 'stock' photos rather than just snapshot and B), my existing camera body (EOS 20D) doesn't have the resolution for stock (macro, still life, fine art).
At this point I could go out and buy a very expensive body, but that's not necessarily the right thing to do, and besides I need a new lens or two in addition to the body. So my question is what camera body are you using? I don't want to buy a 5D MK II for example if a 60D will do the job.
Thanks
Shaun |
The first thing you need to realize is that the camera does not make the shots. In the whole scheme of things the camera itself is about the third most important thing coming after good glass and your abilities as a photographer.
This good camera thing is often something that really ticks many of us off. People see our work and say "Boy, those are great shots you must have a great camera." That is like telling a chef that he or she is a great chef because they have a good set of pots.
I know people who I can give a point and shoot to and they will blow your socks right off your feet. There are others who I can give a $45,000.00 Hasselblad and they couldn't take a good shot if their life depended on it.
There is nothing wrong with wanting a good camera with all the bells and whistles. The more you spend the better made equipment it will be but that is often not the most important.
As to which you get I will let the Canon people speak to that seeing that I shoot Nikon. |
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shaunpugh
Joined: 22 Nov 2011
Posts: 6
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Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:25 pm
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| hhltdave5 wrote: | | shaunpugh wrote: | Hi,
I'm new to the site and new to stock photography, but I"m quickly realising that A) I need to improve my skills to create 'stock' photos rather than just snapshot and B), my existing camera body (EOS 20D) doesn't have the resolution for stock (macro, still life, fine art).
At this point I could go out and buy a very expensive body, but that's not necessarily the right thing to do, and besides I need a new lens or two in addition to the body. So my question is what camera body are you using? I don't want to buy a 5D MK II for example if a 60D will do the job.
Thanks
Shaun |
The first thing you need to realize is that the camera does not make the shots. In the whole scheme of things the camera itself is about the third most important thing coming after good glass and your abilities as a photographer.
This good camera thing is often something that really ticks many of us off. People see our work and say "Boy, those are great shots you must have a great camera." That is like telling a chef that he or she is a great chef because they have a good set of pots.
I know people who I can give a point and shoot to and they will blow your socks right off your feet. There are others who I can give a $45,000.00 Hasselblad and they couldn't take a good shot if their life depended on it.
There is nothing wrong with wanting a good camera with all the bells and whistles. The more you spend the better made equipment it will be but that is often not the most important.
As to which you get I will let the Canon people speak to that seeing that I shoot Nikon. |
Hi, I know the camera doesn't make the shot, that is my point - I wanted to know which bodies people are using because if the majority of people are getting work accepted when using lower-end kit that's fine by me. The question was so I can budget properly now I have decided to replace my equipment. Surely that's not a bad question to ask? |
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mauijon
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
Posts: 4275
Location: Maui, Hawaii
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Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:27 pm
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I had lots of shots accepted using a 5 MP camera, so that's not a problem (until if and when SS raises the MP requirement). My problem with that camera was noise instead of MP. |
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shaunpugh
Joined: 22 Nov 2011
Posts: 6
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Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:13 pm
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| mauijon wrote: | | I had lots of shots accepted using a 5 MP camera, so that's not a problem (until if and when SS raises the MP requirement). My problem with that camera was noise instead of MP. |
Thanks mate, that's the kind of feedback I'm looking for.
Shaun |
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supertramp
Joined: 29 May 2005
Posts: 4518
Location: I don't know, I'm guessing. :)
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Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:41 pm
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Altho I have a 5DII, I still use my 20D. The camera is fine. You're still within the MP requirement. What you may want to do is get the best lenses you can afford. Using a 'kit' lens can be ok for Stock, but L-series glass will be better and will outlast several bodies.
For now, get your images together, post them in the critique forum and you can go from there.
Tip: Don't go above 200 iso with that camera, and always shoot with a tripod.
Good luck. |
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robhainer
Joined: 03 May 2010
Posts: 2720
Location: Dallas, GA, USA
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:31 am
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who gets annoyed when people ask me what kind of camera I have so they can go buy one and take the same photos. |
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shaunpugh
Joined: 22 Nov 2011
Posts: 6
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 4:50 pm
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| robhainer wrote: | | I'm glad I'm not the only one who gets annoyed when people ask me what kind of camera I have so they can go buy one and take the same photos. |
Talk about missing the point, and why do you get uptight? It's only a question, and you have no idea what photo's I intend on taking so why presume that I would want to copy YOU?
If a question 'offends you', then don't' answer it. Very simple really.
I have come to one conclusion though, those of you who have bitched about this aren't actually that good, so perhaps it's you who don't want others to know that you've spunked 1000's away on kit for no good reason? |
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Mike Price
Joined: 06 Jun 2008
Posts: 2918
Location: South Wales
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:35 pm
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I have a 60D and L lenses and it does the job fine but until recently I used an 8MP 350D and got stock shots accpeted without problem.
Oh by the way Dave is certainly a very successful stock photographer specialising in food, so your conclusion regarding him being not that good is false, he was merely pointing out that it is the ability of the photographer that is the main element in becoming a sucessful stock contributor.
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rinder99
Joined: 12 Jul 2005
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Location: Contact www.rinderart.com/Books and Workshops www.rindersmithphotography.com Youtube/rinder
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:38 pm
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Whoa....Dude slow down here no need to insult anyone saying there work isin't that good. A camera is a camera, yes there are limitations with what you can do with anything even a $45,000 hasselblad or a $200.00 P&S. it is entirely Up to you and your skill level. Stock Nowdays requires a "pretty good" camera in the 10MP to 18MP range, one that is capable of interchangeable lenses. What to buy is something thats actually a amateur question and totally up to you.
It's about what your primary subject matter will Be...Sports? Landscape? Studio? etc,etc. But Most of all budget . If thats not an Issue. Go to a store and see which One feels good in your hands and one that gives you confidence and one that will Last awhile. Also keep in mind that Lenses are Much More Important than a body. It's about Optics.
The 5DMK2 is a ground breaking Camera, The 60D is a Prosumer version But Like said in the right hands Both will perform very well and I've shot with and processed Images from Both.Im Nikon and spend $5000 On each of my Last 4 Bodies But , Im a working Pro and have been for many, Many years [45] and I demand the best I can Get and so do My Clients.
Simple answer Buy the best you can afford Nikon , Canon whatever and Master it and your skill Level. We really Can't say what is best But what we can say is invest in Glass.
Come into the critique forum, Put your Mouth into your Images and we will take a look. Lots of us there have been around a long time and seen it all But before you do...I strongly suggest you lose the attitude.
Most Modern Cameras are a lot smarter than The majority of the folks using them. |
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mscates176
Joined: 10 Feb 2011
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:49 pm
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I use a 60d great camera but I found the turning point was when i learnt how to use light and started using L lenses |
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shaunpugh
Joined: 22 Nov 2011
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:52 pm
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| rinder99 wrote: | Whoa....Dude slow down here no need to insult anyone saying there work isin't that good. A camera is a camera, yes there are limitations with what you can do with anything even a $45,000 hasselblad or a $200.00 P&S. it is entirely Up to you and your skill level. Stock Nowdays requires a "pretty good" camera in the 10MP to 18MP range, one that is capable of interchangeable lenses. What to buy is something thats actually a amateur question and totally up to you.
It's about what your primary subject matter will Be...Sports? Landscape? Studio? etc,etc. But Most of all budget . If thats not an Issue. Go to a store and see which One feels good in your hands and one that gives you confidence and one that will Last awhile. Also keep in mind that Lenses are Much More Important than a body. It's about Optics.
The 5DMK2 is a ground breaking Camera, The 60D is a Prosumer version But Like said in the right hands Both will perform very well and I've shot with and processed Images from Both.Im Nikon and spend $5000 On each of my Last 4 Bodies But , Im a working Pro and have been for many, Many years [45] and I demand the best I can Get and so do My Clients.
Simple answer Buy the best you can afford Nikon , Canon whatever and Master it and your skill Level. We really Can't say what is best But what we can say is invest in Glass.
Come into the critique forum, Put your Mouth into your Images and we will take a look. Lots of us there have been around a long time and seen it all But before you do...I strongly suggest you lose the attitude.
Most Modern Cameras are a lot smarter than The majority of the folks using them. |
Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated. I know it's an amateur question, but I'm an amateur.
The only reason for my attitude is because of people getting offended by me asking a simple question - it's like a broke some unsaid taboo. To be honest I was surprised about the hostility from just asking a question. Surely not the best way to treat newcomers. |
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ruxpriencdiam
Joined: 07 May 2009
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Location: Third Stone from the Sun
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:17 pm
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I'll throw in my 2 cents a little later right now i have some stuff to do and need more time to write. |
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rinder99
Joined: 12 Jul 2005
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Location: Contact www.rinderart.com/Books and Workshops www.rindersmithphotography.com Youtube/rinder
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:27 pm
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You Said..."I have come to one conclusion though, those of you who have bitched about this aren't actually that good,"
Honestly thats not a good way for a newcomer or an old timer for that matter to respond , also being a "Newcomer" you don't have any credibility to judge Un asked for anyone elses work.
And If you do come into the critique forum and "ask" for a critique remember, we won't tell you what you want to hear and we'll give it to ya straight. lets see what ya got OK? Lets leave it here and good Luck. |
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ruxpriencdiam
Joined: 07 May 2009
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Location: Third Stone from the Sun
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:36 pm
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Lets see!
Now how do i go about this?
Is it short and to the point or do i drag it out big time?
Who knows because i dont even know!
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This should be over in the cameras / scanners forum.
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| shaunpugh wrote: | | The only reason for my attitude is because of people getting offended by me asking a simple question. |
And i didnt see anyone getting offended they were telling you like it is straight to the point.
Now if you wanna talk about offended i can tell you a thing or two about that!
I drove everyone here crazy when i started and there is nothing here that comes close to anyone saying anything offending to you from what i read and they didnt when i drove them all crazy either.
And i have been following this for awhile since you posted it and i have seen nothing wrong at all.
You asked for help and got it and dont like the answers, well then you may be in for a long hard journey perhpas that could top mine.
There were two other people i keep track of that started when i did and one of them has 1 page of less then 50 images and the other is on the road to breaking my record of most post's without being approved and he has been trying for the better part of two years.
Now there is also one other person who we all helped along the way and boy has he taken off big time compared to where he was when he started.
Everyone here is willing to help and you may not like how they come across but it is far from being bitched at.
Your camera should be enough to start with.
Even with the kit lens!
Learn the limits and you can work with what you have i use my kit lens for quite a bit of shooting and yes i have other L series glass as well.
Crap i have over 5 grand in stuff and use very little of it at times but take it wherever i go shooting so i have it.
I shoot every and anything i feel like Macros using extension tubes kit lens, 50mm and my 70-200mm f/4L, landscapes using the kit lens,50mm or 70-200 depends what i want to accomplish.
Sheet i just did a wedding something i tell everyone to stay away from!
Ok so enough for now but as i end this there are a few things for you to do first.
I am going to include some links i would suggest you take a few minutes of your time and read them they will be very beneficial to you.
Forgot to mention i use the Canon T1I
http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=79989&start=0
http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10847&highlight=reviewing+life |
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