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Susan


Joined: 06 May 2005
Posts: 6263

Post Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:01 am     Reply with quote

subarashii21 wrote:
As I expected, 3 days after approval, some of my new images stopped being searchable by keywords (they are only searchable by description words).

I dont know if I should now stuff the description field with my original keywords to "fight the bug", it would be rather awkward... But what other way is there to keep our new images on display?

I will at least test it.. it worked a few times in the past two months when I tried to add some words to description. But thats no real solution :-/


Ditto
I tried to update a few images that had become non searchable and the new words I added to the title are also NOT searchable after over 72 hours.

Most of my batches since October have not been searchable.
panicattack


Joined: 15 May 2011
Posts: 133

Post Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:15 am     Reply with quote

Last download from US area was 2011-12-07


weird.
symbiot


Joined: 06 Feb 2009
Posts: 93

Post Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:24 pm     Reply with quote

Dear Forumguru,

As written above, I continue to experience literally “zero” downloads from US area.

It is pretty weird cause I have constant downloads from European zone and rest of the world (except Canada and US) during Europe working hours and then, when it’s finished and normally US area start to be very active, it’s been really quite till the next day…

I still can see sales on the Mexican border but nothing in the US, like my images can’t get there…

For me it's totally unusual and very frustrating due to strong decrease of my sales here.

Dear Forumguru, could you please give your opinion about this situation and solution to get my US sales back as it was before?

Thanks in advance
subarashii21


Joined: 12 May 2011
Posts: 433
Location: Czech Republic

Post Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:12 am     Reply with quote

Susan wrote:
I tried to update a few images that had become non searchable and the new words I added to the title are also NOT searchable after over 72 hours.

Most of my batches since October have not been searchable.


True :( I added some new words to the description field two days ago and this time it didnt have any effect on search, the images are still unsearchable with these newly added words and of course standard keyword search doesnt work as well.

No way to fight it then, its a lottery because the images I submitted last Friday appear fine in search, while those submitted on Sunday are bugged. And sales in the US are again zero. I sell more in Mexico actually :D
Susan


Joined: 06 May 2005
Posts: 6263

Post Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:36 pm     Reply with quote

subarashii21 wrote:
Susan wrote:
I tried to update a few images that had become non searchable and the new words I added to the title are also NOT searchable after over 72 hours.

Most of my batches since October have not been searchable.


True :( I added some new words to the description field two days ago and this time it didnt have any effect on search, the images are still unsearchable with these newly added words and of course standard keyword search doesnt work as well.

No way to fight it then, its a lottery because the images I submitted last Friday appear fine in search, while those submitted on Sunday are bugged. And sales in the US are again zero. I sell more in Mexico actually :D


You are right there is no way to deal with the issue and that is the reason many of the images that I have submitted since October have zero downloads.

When you try to be proactive upfront to deal with all the bug by adding a few more keywords so that the new submissions will be visible to buyers you get the following.

Title--Titles may not contain camera name, web addresses, or other unnecessary information. Please see <a href="http://buzz.shutterstock.com/rejection-reasons/whats-in-an-image-title">Shutterbuzz</a> for more info
Susan


Joined: 06 May 2005
Posts: 6263

Post Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:39 pm     Reply with quote

In case any of you missed this in this thread.

http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=116068

Susan wrote:
roystudio wrote:
Dear ForumGuru

I deleted 3 images from my pofrtolio at the same time and after some minutes and some hours the sytuation was:
1. image 90475360 - was still visible but WITHOUT keywords
2. image 89709175 - was not visible ("This image is no longer available.")
3. image 89709172 - was still visible WITH keywords like not deleted image

Three different situations aftrer the same action???

My conclusion is - maybe the general problem with not searching by keywords and missing images is in synchronization between servers or data replication? maybe images and keywords are saved separately and separately synchronized between servers? if one of servers has bad synchronization - becomes the problem with keywords or lost images...

Tell it as sugestion to the technical team please.

(now, after about 20 hours all 3 images are no longer available of course)

That could explain why words that I add to image titles are not searchable and why some images in my port seem to lose searchable keywords after a few days.

For instance, while I am able to update the words in my image titles and those words do show up on the image page, the keywords that I add after the initial submission... do NOT return my images when using those words in searches... well after the 72 hour wait to see them live.

This is frustrating because many of the batches that I have submitted since October have NOT been searchable using their keywords or have lost their searchable keywords after a few days and a good deal of them have not been visible in my port. Two of my last few batches are still not searchable using keywords that are not contained in their titles.
panicattack


Joined: 15 May 2011
Posts: 133

Post Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:51 pm     Reply with quote

this was answer from support team after I asked them about no US sales:

"We are not experiencing any issues with our servers or for customers from the
US. It could be the time of year or simply one of those things that can
happen."

sorry but I believe nobody from buyers can see any difference because some new images DO shows in searches. I'm not among those lucky contributors.

I'm not on Shutterstock for a long time, but I have almost 10x more images now compared when I started and this will be my worst week ever.

There is something wrong because last image sold in USA was 2011-12-07 and before that more then 50% of my sales were from US.
Susan


Joined: 06 May 2005
Posts: 6263

Post Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:34 pm     Reply with quote

There has been no response to this thread. Therefor we can assume they are not taking our low US sales seriously. I know a few people I have talked to who are experiencing the same issue and are afraid to speak up.

This problem is harder to demonstrate as concrete however it can be done.

I am going to start documenting the sales pattern with screen shots and numbers tallies during US business hours and then conversely Euro Ect time.

I have been a member since 2005 and my US sales number have definitely changed. My new Christmas images seem to be selling better in Europe, africa, asia, etc than they do in the US and that is not the norm for my port over the last 6 years. Even my older images which have been selling in the states for years are not receiving US daytime sales.

US sales during US business hours have been dismal for my port for months with the exception of a few flurries here and there. The pattern is not normal for my port and with all the other problems going on I think they could very well be overlooking a problem that is causing the low US sales.

Someone mentioned that Canadian sales are low... to my knowledge I never receive sales from Canada.
roystudio


Joined: 03 Oct 2011
Posts: 32

Post Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:42 pm     Reply with quote

panicattack wrote:
this was answer from support team after I asked them about no US sales:

"We are not experiencing any issues with our servers or for customers from the
US. It could be the time of year or simply one of those things that can
happen."



Maybe everything is ok but downloads are not showing and not added to our earnings...

During last 12 days I had only one US area download. It is not normal.
subarashii21


Joined: 12 May 2011
Posts: 433
Location: Czech Republic

Post Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:50 am     Reply with quote

roystudio wrote:
Maybe everything is ok but downloads are not showing and not added to our earnings...


If that is the truth, then its not in their interest to fix it, I guess :) but seriously, its a good idea to keep track of our US sales, Ive never made any statistics before, I just have a feeling that the percentage for US area used to be higher some two months ago. Unfortunately, the recent bug affected my overall sales so its hard see some pattern in it.

I would very much appreciate if the name of the country was displayed on the world map with each download, its not clear when the circle shows on the borders with Canada or Mexico, not to mention small countries in continental Europe.
panicattack


Joined: 15 May 2011
Posts: 133

Post Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:12 pm     Reply with quote

Still no changes here. One sale was close to Canadian border so I don't know.

However, images approved last days are searchable by all keywords... I will wait after 3 days passes because that's usually time where keywords disappears in my case.
Susan


Joined: 06 May 2005
Posts: 6263

Post Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:59 pm     Reply with quote

panicattack wrote:
Still no changes here. One sale was close to Canadian border so I don't know.

However, images approved last days are searchable by all keywords... I will wait after 3 days passes because that's usually time where keywords disappears in my case.


Yes this is also becoming the norm for my port, it happens over and over again.

My most recent batches were initially searchable using all of their keywords, however when I checked again today they are no longer searchable when using the search options Popular, Relevant or Random and the most important keywords contained in the image. In fact some of the keywords in the title did not return the image in searches.

Batch ID:19390091 12/15/2011
Batch ID:19390049 12/15/2011
subarashii21


Joined: 12 May 2011
Posts: 433
Location: Czech Republic

Post Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:10 pm     Reply with quote

Yes, 3 days after approval is the "magic moment" when keywords get bugged, I just found out that images approved last Friday stopped being searchable by their keywords.

However, it is strange - they are still searchable by description field words, as it was in the past, but only some combinations of words work. So now its not even possible to rely on description field fully. Hard knock life of a Shutterstock contributor..
triceratops


Joined: 15 Nov 2006
Posts: 7856
Location: The other Nevada

Post Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:29 pm     Reply with quote

I wouldn't worry too much about this. Sales of US versus non-US vary widely from month to month and year to year. I went back and looked at my stats for as far back as they are available. Over the last six months, beginning in November and working backwards, the percentage of dollars (should closely approximate sales) works out like this:

US: 52.6%, non-US: 47.4%
US: 38.3%, non-US: 61.7%
US: 41.6%, non-US: 58.4%
US: 62.6%, non-US: 37.4%
US: 33.9%, non-US: 66.1%
US: 47.7%, non-US: 52.3%

Overall, using all available statistics, the number of months which had a predominance of US sales (dollars) came to 41% while months where non-US sales (dollars) predominated was 59%.

Conclusion? It's going to vary every month and you can't judge what's going on by only a small sample (short time period). I've gone from a high of 2/3 of my sales to US sites to a low of 1/3 of sales going to the US. The only thing to be gleaned from this is that sales continue. It's when all sales begin to drop that we need to worry.
roystudio


Joined: 03 Oct 2011
Posts: 32

Post Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:08 pm     Reply with quote

We worry because there is NO (0%) exactly US area downloads. There is only occasionally download on the border (in my case - US/Mexico border) and dont know is it US download or not.
 
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