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semmickphoto

Joined: 12 Feb 2012
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Location: Stuck between a shutter and a hard place
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:26 pm
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Looking at that link right now Dave. Thanks.
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jeffbanke

Joined: 18 Dec 2005
Posts: 17467
Location: www.xlr8photo.com, The real California
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:11 pm
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| semmickphoto wrote: | | jeffbanke wrote: | Nice concept!
The other guys have passed judgement, so it requires no further comment,
As for strobes, you need as a very minimum for some types of images like yours 2 strobes.
For other types of images with white backgrounds you need at least three and maybe four depending on the size of the subject. |
Thanks Jeff. Just need to figure out why all my photos come out soft. |
Are you using manual focus or auto?
If Manual, possibly look at the diopter setting on the eyepiece, if Auto have it check at a good photo store, they can let you know if there is a back focus issue, also some cameras have adjustments for correcting auto focus and making it more precise.
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semmickphoto

Joined: 12 Feb 2012
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Location: Stuck between a shutter and a hard place
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:19 pm
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| jeffbanke wrote: | | semmickphoto wrote: | | jeffbanke wrote: | Nice concept!
The other guys have passed judgement, so it requires no further comment,
As for strobes, you need as a very minimum for some types of images like yours 2 strobes.
For other types of images with white backgrounds you need at least three and maybe four depending on the size of the subject. |
Thanks Jeff. Just need to figure out why all my photos come out soft. |
Are you using manual focus or auto?
If Manual, possibly look at the diopter setting on the eyepiece, if Auto have it check at a good photo store, they can let you know if there is a back focus issue, also some cameras have adjustments for correcting auto focus and making it more precise. |
Auto focus Jeff. Its only a kit lens 18-55 4-5.6 but I will have it checked. Thanks.
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triceratops

Joined: 15 Nov 2006
Posts: 7864
Location: The other Nevada
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:08 pm
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You'd be amazed at what can cause movement in an apparent static situation. For short duration shutters, no big deal. But for longer times, even someone walking in another room can be detected, a car driving by and so on. Unless there's some special effect you're going for, always try to keep the shutter speed as fast as practical. That's where more light comes in, be it direct sunlight, strobes or whatever source. Brighter light will also help in focusing (brighter ambient light that is). Assuming the diopter is set properly, if the subject is brightly lit, it's a lot easier to see if the focus is set correctly. Even autofocus works better with good lighting.
You might try manual focusing and see if it works any better than autofocus. Keep in mind that the autofocus selects what the camera thinks should be in focus which, unfortunately, may not necessarily be what you intended. Autofocus usually looks for vertical planes that have areas of high contrast and locks onto these. Depending on your depth of field, this may or may not be what you want. So try focusing manually and see if it makes a difference. And be careful not to confuse out of focus with a shallow depth of field. That's another problem that happens more often than many people realize.
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semmickphoto

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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:15 pm
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Right, so I cleaned up the black, did a bit of sharpening, increased contrast, removed fringe. This is as good as it gets from this shot. If this is not acceptable, I need to reshoot.
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triceratops

Joined: 15 Nov 2006
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:41 pm
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I don't know. I suspect you may get a lighting rejection on this one. Notice the deep shadow under the orange while the white area on top of the fruit that's been peeled appears to be blown out. And it may still be too soft for the reviewer. It's a crap shoot, so I'd suggest shooting again. When in doubt, throw it out.
I don't know how much the word "orange" adds to the image. The designer could always erase it if they wanted, but it might turn some people off. And in a tiny thumbnail, I don't know if it could even be read. Just my thoughts.
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semmickphoto

Joined: 12 Feb 2012
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Location: Stuck between a shutter and a hard place
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:51 pm
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| triceratops wrote: | I don't know. I suspect you may get a lighting rejection on this one. Notice the deep shadow under the orange while the white area on top of the fruit that's been peeled appears to be blown out. And it may still be too soft for the reviewer. It's a crap shoot, so I'd suggest shooting again. When in doubt, throw it out.
I don't know how much the word "orange" adds to the image. The designer could always erase it if they wanted, but it might turn some people off. And in a tiny thumbnail, I don't know if it could even be read. Just my thoughts. |
Thanks. I figured this was going to be the case. But at least I learned new things on photoshop today. The whites were exposed correctly but the increase in contrast made it blow out, I realise that now. But the softness cant be fixed. The word orange doesnt have to be there. I just wanted to create a ready to go photo. I will reshoot and just use the orange. Thanks. Watch this space.
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jeffbanke

Joined: 18 Dec 2005
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Location: www.xlr8photo.com, The real California
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:13 am
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For the blown out whites, open the image in Adobe Camera RAW (ACR), and use "Recover" to fix that.
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markrhiggins
Joined: 28 Jan 2008
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Location: Australia
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:13 am
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the orange in shadow is too dark and the pith too light. Use dodge tool and burn tool (midtones) to fix respectively. Nice shot just a little tweaking. (The too light as Jeff says ACR is the best place to do it.)
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semmickphoto

Joined: 12 Feb 2012
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Location: Stuck between a shutter and a hard place
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:49 am
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| markrhiggins wrote: | | the orange in shadow is too dark and the pith too light. Use dodge tool and burn tool (midtones) to fix respectively. Nice shot just a little tweaking. (The too light as Jeff says ACR is the best place to do it.) |
But I need to redo the shot because its too soft, so I do not want to put more work in this one.
I just tried to shoot an orange on AF & MF, shorter shutter, etc, etc, and I cant get it sharp. It remains soft. My lens is broken I think.
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ruxpriencdiam

Joined: 07 May 2009
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Location: Third Stone from the Sun
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:16 pm
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| semmickphoto wrote: | | markrhiggins wrote: | | the orange in shadow is too dark and the pith too light. Use dodge tool and burn tool (midtones) to fix respectively. Nice shot just a little tweaking. (The too light as Jeff says ACR is the best place to do it.) |
But I need to redo the shot because its too soft, so I do not want to put more work in this one.
I just tried to shoot an orange on AF & MF, shorter shutter, etc, etc, and I cant get it sharp. It remains soft. My lens is broken I think. | Usually it is not the lens but the operator.
Tripod, remote release, enough light, diopter adjustment are they all good?
Try shooting with your other eye.
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semmickphoto

Joined: 12 Feb 2012
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:24 pm
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| ruxpriencdiam wrote: | Usually it is not the lens but the operator.
Tripod, remote release, enough light, diopter adjustment are they all good?
Try shooting with your other eye. |
Yeah, that shot was taken using spot metering, shutter release cable, auto focus, higher aperture, daylight, reflector screen, correct exposure.
Anway, if its still me, I would like to see someone else take a sharp photo of that freagin orange using my equipment ;-)
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pharm

Joined: 09 Jul 2006
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Location: Never quite sure
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:23 pm
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| semmickphoto wrote: | | ...Anway, if its still me, I would like to see someone else take a sharp photo of that freagin orange using my equipment ;-) |
Try focusing manually using live view (magnified).
They're using AF in this example, but the principle is the same:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYw25yCOdxk
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loverpower
Joined: 27 May 2011
Posts: 6
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:40 am
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I shot that photo indoor, on a table, with a tripod, using a shutter release cable, and the object was not moving. I think my lens has a problem then. I will have to look into that.
I changed Rinner to Rinder thanks. Why a 162% crop, just to show I had removed the fringe in greater detail.[/quote]
When you shoot in slow speed, you have to block the mirror of you camera
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pharm

Joined: 09 Jul 2006
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:07 pm
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| loverpower wrote: | | ...When you shoot in slow speed, you have to block the mirror of you camera |
What camera are you using? I focus with live view, then shoot, even at very slow speeds. Yes, the live view image disappears as it's shooting but I'm already focused by then.
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