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blinztree

Joined: 31 May 2010
Posts: 1875
Location: Beats me... I'm Lost!
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:14 pm
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| rixie wrote: | | blinztree wrote: | | Why don't you buy Bobby's Elinchrom? He's putting a pair of 1,000w up for sale. I would have bought it but my side of the world is 240V and his is 120V. |
Great idea but I think the shipping from US to UK + import tax would be prohibitive. | Maybe you can consider registered surface (sea) mail? It take at least 3 months to arrive. A package from Amazon.com took 4 months but came in intact. Do you still have to pay taxes for used goods? That kind of sucks. There are certain things that I can bring in with minimum taxes if it came in bought-for-parts or partially assembled/ disassembled and shipped separately.
Don't ship it out un-registered. One eBay joker of a UK Seller sold me an item and ship off by surface mail last December and I have not seen the light of it yet.
I actually toyed with the idea of buying Bobby's lights and getting a step-down transformer but by the time I figured out how much the transformers cost, it would be cheaper to buy a new 1,000w light. |
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rixie

Joined: 29 Dec 2007
Posts: 3430
Location: Hampshire, UK
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:43 am
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| blinztree wrote: | | rixie wrote: | | blinztree wrote: | | Why don't you buy Bobby's Elinchrom? He's putting a pair of 1,000w up for sale. I would have bought it but my side of the world is 240V and his is 120V. |
Great idea but I think the shipping from US to UK + import tax would be prohibitive. | Maybe you can consider registered surface (sea) mail? It take at least 3 months to arrive. A package from Amazon.com took 4 months but came in intact. Do you still have to pay taxes for used goods? That kind of sucks. There are certain things that I can bring in with minimum taxes if it came in bought-for-parts or partially assembled/ disassembled and shipped separately.
Don't ship it out un-registered. One eBay joker of a UK Seller sold me an item and ship off by surface mail last December and I have not seen the light of it yet.
I actually toyed with the idea of buying Bobby's lights and getting a step-down transformer but by the time I figured out how much the transformers cost, it would be cheaper to buy a new 1,000w light. |
I'm in the same position, I'm UK based with 240v. Also, as I'm just starting with lighting, (and completely clueless!), when I do buy, I will do so from the shop I usually use, as they are really good with after sales care. Knowing me, I'd spend a fortune shipping something round the world and blow it up on day one! |
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blinztree

Joined: 31 May 2010
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Location: Beats me... I'm Lost!
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:02 pm
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Maybe you should look at home base and consider Bowens, a British manufacturer which is considered a mid-range brand. That way, you'll save on shipping and taxes and get local support. |
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jeffbanke

Joined: 18 Dec 2005
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Location: www.xlr8photo.com, The real California
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rixie

Joined: 29 Dec 2007
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Location: Hampshire, UK
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 1:51 am
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Thanks Jeff, the second option looks like the sort of set up I''m after.
I'm going to a Photographic Equipment Exhibition on Thursday so, hopefully, I'll be able to see some of this stuff in action to give me a better idea of capability/quality. |
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kaycee

Joined: 14 Feb 2008
Posts: 3607
Location: Limburg The Netherlands or at www.kaycee.nl
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:20 am
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I got a bit the same as the second link but from the brand Falconeyes... |
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rixie

Joined: 29 Dec 2007
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Location: Hampshire, UK
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:02 am
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| kaycee wrote: |
I got a bit the same as the second link but from the brand Falconeyes... |
Do you find this sort of set to be economical after the initial outlay or do you regularly have to but expensive replacement bulbs/tubes?
If I buy a kit along these lines, apart from some sort of wireless trigger device, would there be anything else I would need?
I appreciate your input as I'm completely green when it comes to any kind of artificial lighting! (In truth, I don't even know what all the settings are on my flash unit).... :) |
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hhltdave5

Joined: 20 Jun 2006
Posts: 24063
Location: Our Stock, Food & Portrait photography books at www.rindersmithphotography.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:27 am
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| rixie wrote: | | kaycee wrote: |
I got a bit the same as the second link but from the brand Falconeyes... |
Do you find this sort of set to be economical after the initial outlay or do you regularly have to but expensive replacement bulbs/tubes?
If I buy a kit along these lines, apart from some sort of wireless trigger device, would there be anything else I would need?
I appreciate your input as I'm completely green when it comes to any kind of artificial lighting! (In truth, I don't even know what all the settings are on my flash unit).... :) |
One thing to remember when buying studio strobes and that is the soft boxes that you will need (unless you go with umbrellas). Different makes have different types of what are called speed rings which are used to attach the soft box to the light.
You are also right in wondering about the availability of replacement tubes. I have been very lucky I have not had to replace one modelling light or flash tube with my Flashpoints in 6 years. But if you do, are they readily available and what is the cost.
When we meet up for the Monument Valley workshop Laurin and I will be happy to sit down with you and go over these things. |
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rixie

Joined: 29 Dec 2007
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Location: Hampshire, UK
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:09 am
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Thanks Dave, Laurin has also offered the same and it will be much appreciated. I am not buying anything until after Monument Valley - I am very much only in the research stage at the moment, but I will probably arrive with an equipment idea in mind.
My son and I have been busy clearing the room and getting a lot of junk out of the house or boxed up and into the loft. I haven't seen the far side of the room for about 3 years! When it's all clear, I am hoping to have some sort of rail with backdrops and a basic lighting system set-up. Budget will probably stretch to about £500/£700, so I think I will be able to sensibly achieve the lights/rails/backdrops OK?
I think I've graduated from the 'wander round and look for something to photograph' stage to wanting to have a space to create my own images :) |
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kaycee

Joined: 14 Feb 2008
Posts: 3607
Location: Limburg The Netherlands or at www.kaycee.nl
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:03 pm
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In 2 years:
I have only changed one modelling light (my fault I broke it) not that expensive to replace also the tubes are not that expensive.
Most with the starter kits soft boxes are included also included some color filters, snoot with honeycomb grit,trigger set, backdrop, light stands/tripods (at least that was in my kit) |
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jeffbanke

Joined: 18 Dec 2005
Posts: 17461
Location: www.xlr8photo.com, The real California
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:47 pm
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In umpteen years, I have never changed a strobe tube, changed two modeling lights, one I broke, bu then I use Norman strobes, 2400w/s strobe tubes usually only firing at between 250 and 750 w/s, kind of like a Ferrari doing normal freeway speeds (read motorway speeds, not even autobahn speeds:-) ) |
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rixie

Joined: 29 Dec 2007
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Location: Hampshire, UK
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:00 am
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Thank guys, I'd hate to buy something relatively inexpensive and then find I'm forever having to fork out for replacement bulbs, etc.
Jeff, the second kit you mentioned is available on Amazon UK so I may well give that further consideration. If it is a fairly decent kit then it is probably sufficient for my needs at a sensible price, and as Karin says, it comes with soft boxes and filters, etc.
What I don't want to do is outlay money now and find I want/need to upgrade in 6 months time! |
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jeffbanke

Joined: 18 Dec 2005
Posts: 17461
Location: www.xlr8photo.com, The real California
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:23 am
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| rixie wrote: | Thank guys, I'd hate to buy something relatively inexpensive and then find I'm forever having to fork out for replacement bulbs, etc.
Jeff, the second kit you mentioned is available on Amazon UK so I may well give that further consideration. If it is a fairly decent kit then it is probably sufficient for my needs at a sensible price, and as Karin says, it comes with soft boxes and filters, etc.
What I don't want to do is outlay money now and find I want/need to upgrade in 6 months time! |
300w/s strobes will take care on 90% of your needs, I would suggest that at sometime you also invest in a 5-600 w/s strobe or two, which you will need for large family groups and such.
Alternatively you can go the whole hog as it were and get some 2400w/s units like mine (new they run about $300 per head, and $3500 for the powerpack), which are capable of anything, and since I have some 15 of them, houses, and eighteen wheelers are not a problem, even did a DC3 once for a client :-) |
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rixie

Joined: 29 Dec 2007
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Location: Hampshire, UK
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:54 pm
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| jeffbanke wrote: | | rixie wrote: | Thank guys, I'd hate to buy something relatively inexpensive and then find I'm forever having to fork out for replacement bulbs, etc.
Jeff, the second kit you mentioned is available on Amazon UK so I may well give that further consideration. If it is a fairly decent kit then it is probably sufficient for my needs at a sensible price, and as Karin says, it comes with soft boxes and filters, etc.
What I don't want to do is outlay money now and find I want/need to upgrade in 6 months time! |
300w/s strobes will take care on 90% of your needs, I would suggest that at sometime you also invest in a 5-600 w/s strobe or two, which you will need for large family groups and such.
Alternatively you can go the whole hog as it were and get some 2400w/s units like mine (new they run about $300 per head, and $3500 for the powerpack), which are capable of anything, and since I have some 15 of them, houses, and eighteen wheelers are not a problem, even did a DC3 once for a client :-) |
I think I need to think small to match the 8ft x 10ft room I have - I'm thinking table top and pet portraits rather than something the size of a cruise liner! |
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klsbear
Joined: 13 Jun 2009
Posts: 313
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:11 pm
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I use the Elinchrom D-Lite 4 kit and I've been happy with everything about it. I shoot a lot of food and small tabletop stuff using a 6-foot folding table and a stand with 3 cross bars for holding backdrops. I have a bit more space in a finished basement, but rarely spread out much beyond the dimensions you're working with. |
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