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gabes1976


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:48 pm     Reply with quote

jeffbanke wrote:
gabes1976 wrote:
Seriously though, those are awesome rough edits, Laurin and Jeff.


Thanks, I did a rough job of the tree on a third layer to keep the green in it, but agree with Laurin, the image is better without it.

I just love taking those "Biblical skies" ;-) In case the OP does not understand we the most prolific writers in the forums probably have a 1000 different sky images of every color to add to our images as we feel neccesary. That sky worked particulalry well with your image, but my original sky was flipped horizontally, so it was neccesary to flip it to make the sun position correspond to the shadows in your image, the all important factor when replacing skies, and the reason one needs so many different skies.



You and Laurin did a great job of making a mediocre image awesome. I like how you guys fed on each other to make the last image (minus my duck one).
mikenorton


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Post Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 2:02 am     Reply with quote

kensleygold,
I have a question for you: Did you shoot this picture from inside your car?
wiml


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Post Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:20 am     Reply with quote

One question for you guys, will these pass inspection easily?

Because I never go that far out of fear for lighting, white balance, etc rejections.
Second reason I won't go that far is because of IS overfiltering rejections which tend to happen very fast, a bit too much saturation and it's already a no go there. I don't want to make different versions for every agency either, I got enough work already ;)
I know you guys have some pretty extremes in your ports but then again I doubt every contributor gets the same treatment here where reviewing is concerned.

Thx
jeffbanke


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Post Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:29 am     Reply with quote

wiml wrote:
One question for you guys, will these pass inspection easily?

Because I never go that far out of fear for lighting, white balance, etc rejections.
Second reason I won't go that far is because of IS overfiltering rejections which tend to happen very fast, a bit too much saturation and it's already a no go there. I don't want to make different versions for every agency either, I got enough work already ;)
I know you guys have some pretty extremes in your ports but then again I doubt every contributor gets the same treatment here where reviewing is concerned.

Thx


It seems that once one is part of the "in crowd", that reviewers are more relaxed, but yes we still get rejections, depending on who was reviewing.

Here are a couple of those "Biblical sunsets" :-)


rinder99


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Post Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:49 am     Reply with quote

No Matter what we did to your Pic It would not get approved. we Played with a thumbnail and very quickly to show as an example. But we would need the original and a lot of time [Which is not cost effective] to help this. The elements need to be present first. They are not. we could make it more fun to look at But we would tear it up pretty bad to do it. I used Content aware in CS5 to remove the tree. it does a pretty good Job But at 100%. No Way.To much detail to replace.I spent maybe a minute on the second version. Not worth it.And IS would Laugh at it. LOL
wiml


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Post Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:27 am     Reply with quote

@Jeff: Thanks for clearing that up bro, much appreciated.
To be honest, I don't know if I will stick around long enough to fit "in the crowd", I'll probably get fed up with it before that time comes.
I think my blood pressure went up a few notches because of these guys ;)

@Laurin: at IS, all my compositions are rejected for overfiltering, nothing I can do about that, their loss I suppose. I even have to desaturate some images or tone down the sharpness but those do get accepted most of the time and that's what I like about their reviewing, while on SS it's game of bingo for new contributors like me trying to built up a port.

Of course we all know sales are far better at SS compared to any other microstock agency and that is the main reason for me to stick around here.
If they get their act together with the reviewing I'm in for a lifetime.

Anyway, have a good weekend amigos ;)
sroyc


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Post Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:44 pm     Reply with quote

I would suggest from my own experience that you should stay away from Landscape shots when applying to become a contributor. Offer some well lit, without harsh shadow and Noise shot to the reviewers, and of subjects more stock oriented, that would IMHO make things easier for you. Afterwards, things do get relaxed a bit.

Hope this helps! :)
rinder99


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Post Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:47 pm     Reply with quote

I disagree, i think it gets harder.referring to sales. Getting in is easy, Just some tricks. Having Images that sell is getting increasingly more difficult.Those of us that got in in 05,06 are very fortunate because we have Large Ports of older Images that continue to sell, And the last 3/4 months far out weigh our new ones. Im willing to bet. The vast majority Give up pretty quickly.
jeffbanke


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Post Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:55 pm     Reply with quote

I see that you have already understood that each microstock, has different clientele and as such different requirements and reviewing. You are right also about IS not likeing images that have very much processing, so it is a bit of a crap shoot regarding the other 10 or so micro's. CRS for example will only accept images from 10MP cameras or larger, but seem to not care about the processing so much, FT, CS, 123 are a total crap shoot, no logic to it at all, or at least none I can detect. YM seem to accept pretty much everything, but then they are in the growth mode, as do several of the others.
Once you develop a sense for which images will be acepted where, you just submit any given image to the ones that you know will accept it, and forget about the others. This makes it a bit of a nightmare if you are a bit head and want to keep track of what images are where, but for me it is too much work for 38c or whatever.
One good way to find some comfort in this is to not take any of the rejections seriously, and not to be too attached to your images. Once you get to this state of mind, I.E. it is just a business and not art, you can reach a state of nirvana as you collect a check from each of the micro's each month, and laugh at the images that one micro accepts and makes money for you that another rejected, as it is their loss not yours.

Stick around you will have some fun, we often try to push the envelope futher and further which makes it more fun when some micro accepts images that they onc would not. :-)[/code]
sroyc


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Post Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:20 pm     Reply with quote

I agree with Jeff, it's more business than art....
Btw, which are these? FT, CRS, CS...
IS I presume is the ..... (edited...thanks for the heads up)
Sorry, but I am pretty new to the stock arena...


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jeffbanke


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Post Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:21 pm     Reply with quote

sroyc wrote:
I agree with Jeff, it's more business than art....
Btw, which are these? FT, CRS, CS...
IS I presume is the iStock
Sorry, but I am pretty new to the stock arena...


I will PM you :-)
rinder99


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Post Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 2:11 pm     Reply with quote

sroyc wrote:
I agree with Jeff, it's more business than art....
Btw, which are these? FT, CRS, CS...
IS I presume is the iStock
Sorry, but I am pretty new to the stock arena...


DO NOT use another stock sites full name in these forums. Edit your post Now.Thats a no no.
wiml


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Post Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 2:17 pm     Reply with quote

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One good way to find some comfort in this is to not take any of the rejections seriously, and not to be too attached to your images


Laurin knows I'm trying, he doesn't even reply my mails anymore, affraid to read another rant about reviewing ;) can't blame him though.

Anyway, good read in that post Jeff, thx, and the new avatar is radical ;)
wiml


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Post Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 2:25 pm     Reply with quote

I just figured we're going way off topic here so I will leave this thread.

Sorry about that kensleygold and good luck on your submissions, with these guys around and your utmost attention the next round will be a piece of cake!
rinder99


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Post Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 3:58 pm     Reply with quote

wiml wrote:
Quote:
One good way to find some comfort in this is to not take any of the rejections seriously, and not to be too attached to your images


Laurin knows I'm trying, he doesn't even reply my mails anymore, affraid to read another rant about reviewing ;) can't blame him though.

Anyway, good read in that post Jeff, thx, and the new avatar is radical ;)


But I read them all.....LOL
 
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