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seldomseen · Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 4

Recently I submitted a batch of digital images taken from scanned slides (ISO 200 I believe). All were rejected and I was given a warning about not upsizing. The slides were scanned at 4000 dpi on a Nikon scanner without interpolation. I made minor adjustments in Photoshop and saved a jpgs at quality 10 or 11. Noise on the images was, in my opinion, from the film grain and definitely not from upsizing.

Since there were not upsized, was the rejection due to noise? If the noise was from film grain, is this a problem? Do designers object to film grain?

I sometimes use noise removal software, but am not fond of it as it distorts pixels and/or decreases detail. I have had images rejected previously for distorted pixels after processing with noise removal software.

Any suggestions for my problem?

fncdigital · Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:46 pm

post some slices of the images at 100% so we can see.

Gives u s a few samples.

Lim Guo Hong · Joined: 27 Feb 2005 Posts: 98 Location: Singapore

I have photos that is rejected due to upsizibg which i did not! so i might qnat someone to answer this

fncdigital · Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:10 am

a photo can look upsized without you actuallydoing it. compression rates and what not....there are many variables. Regardless of whether it was upsized, if it looks like it, it is of no use.

Lim Guo Hong · Joined: 27 Feb 2005 Posts: 98 Location: Singapore

seldomseen · Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 4

Here's some crops out of two that were rejected.

CindyB · Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 14

I'm sorry I didn't see this threat and started another one on this topic, except my photos weren't scanned...all taken with the same digital camera. But this is a good question, the gentleman asks...how to prevent this? I don't want to get into trouble for upsizing.

Lim Guo Hong · Joined: 27 Feb 2005 Posts: 98 Location: Singapore

WOW the first one is blur i will reject it too if i am reviewer but i like the second one

fncdigital · Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 1:05 am

both of thos images are very hign in noise/grain and artifacts and blurry.

How do you prevent?

if you're shooting on film, use a low speed / ISO film. I wouldnt shoot with anything over 200.

As far as scanning them in, I am no expert in that area, I will let someone else answer.

If its digital, i would reccomend a digital that will allow to adjust the ISO setting, and if it still shows noise try neatimage softawre to correct it.

CindyB · Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 14

I'll just stay on this thread instead of the one I accidentally started...Mine that were rejected for upsizing, that weren't upsized, don't seem blurry or grainy to me. I take that back! I wasn't looking at it in the 100 percent view. I think I attached it first and then the second one is a similar shot, and from what I can see, better, has far less grain and should have been the one I sent, but I sent the first one...I've never used this attachment tool, but hopefully I did it right. This stock photo stuff isn't as easy as I thought! Guess that's why I didn't become a photograher. Have lots of what I think are nice pictures, but then put them in 100 percent view and :-(

CindyB · Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 14

I quit. I clicked add attachement after I used the browse and found it..and then did this with the second one and neither are there. Maybe I'm just too tired tonight to get it. Will try again tomorrow when I don't have to tape my eyelids open zzzz

seldomseen · Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 4

Okay, the images I submitted are blurry and noisy when viewed at 100%. I guess my question now is, if I had downsized (not upsized like I was accused of doing) from 4000 dpi to 2000 dpi and submitted, would they have more favorably accepted. Check out the attached file here. It is the from the same scan as 9-11-52sm above, but downsized then sharpened a bit. Is it any better? Or is it still too blurry/noisy etc? If viewed at 200%, making it the same size as the other, it looks worse.

Phildate · Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 2:06 am

Most of my pictures that were scanned in from slides (ISO 50) were rejected - unless you drum scan them, the scanning process on a prosumer scanner is just going to give you pictures which are too noisy. Running them through a noise reduction programme helps but gives them a certain 'quality' that often gets then rejected too (loss of detail etc...).

I'm not sure if there is much you can do about this...

seldomseen · Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 4

I just wonder if they are too picky for scanned film. I can fairly easily make wonderful prints at 11X14 (or even larger) using scanned files.

fncdigital · Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 12:56 pm

Scanned film and slides is tricky because unless you have a monster of a scanner to get a extremely high quality scanned negative, your gonna have problems.

Main problem is, you have roughly a 1.5" x 1.5" image scanned in at what ever resoluion and you try to resize it to a deminsion of 11x14, its gonna do that.

Try scanning in at 1000 (I always scanned my negatives at 1600) dpi
and dont mess with image size except the pixels and see how better or worse it looks.

Post a sample.