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triceratops


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:31 pm     Reply with quote

I think you are confusing everyone by using the word "paint." No one knows what you are talking about.

I think I followed what you are doing. I took a screen print (shift/print screen) of the grub you posted and pasted it on a large blank BG in PS. I then cropped out all surrounding stuff so that only the grub image remained. I then expanded it to 100% and checked the number of pixels. It's still exactly what you originally cropped it to (as close as my ham-handed cropping allowed). So what am I missing?
ruxpriencdiam


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:35 pm     Reply with quote

triceratops wrote:
I think you are confusing everyone by using the word "paint." No one knows what you are talking about.

I think I followed what you are doing. I took a screen print (shift/print screen) of the grub you posted and pasted it on a large blank BG in PS. I then cropped out all surrounding stuff so that only the grub image remained. I then expanded it to 100% and checked the number of pixels. It's still exactly what you originally cropped it to (as close as my ham-handed cropping allowed). So what am I missing?
Go back to the side by side comparison i posted on the first page.
triceratops


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:45 pm     Reply with quote

If I look at the images you posted, I see three different size images. There's the one in your first post. Then in the side-by-side post you have one that is smaller than the original and one larger than the original. When I did my screen capture, from the first post, the resulting full size image matched the one you originally posted.
ruxpriencdiam


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:03 pm     Reply with quote

There are only two size images.

Russ take and decrease the screen magnification till you are able to save the screen shot at a true size of 498x479 and then save it as whatever. You may have to try it a few time to get it small enough so it comes up the true size

Then bring the magnification back up to where you were or higher and then take another screen shot and just save it like it is and dont worry about it.

Now take the two and put them side by side.

They are both 100% crops at 498x479 and each one was viewed at a different screen size but you can see the difference in the two.

If this doesnt explain it send me a PM with your phone number and i will explain it to you.

Are you using Firefox or IE so i can tell you what to do?
dhogan


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:30 pm     Reply with quote

ruxpriencdiam wrote:
kenny123 wrote:
Why would you use paint? I save my images in "My pictures" from photoshop-no problems.
I dont use Paint!! I use PS!

Everyone is missing what i am talking about.


You are the common denominator. They all look soft to me.
ruxpriencdiam


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:33 pm     Reply with quote

dhogan wrote:
ruxpriencdiam wrote:
kenny123 wrote:
Why would you use paint? I save my images in "My pictures" from photoshop-no problems.
I dont use Paint!! I use PS!

Everyone is missing what i am talking about.


You are the common denominator. They all look soft to me.
Are you using Firefox or IE out of curiosity?
triceratops


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:38 pm     Reply with quote

I'll have to ponder this a while longer, but when I said you posted three different size images, what I meant was if you physically measure them on your monitor screen, they each have different dimensions. The original image measured 15.5cm wide. The small side-by-side measured 11.75cm wide while the larger image measured 19.8cm wide.

I also tried a comparison by both copying the original image to file and by making a screen print of the page and then cropping out all extraneous stuff. I never had an instance of having to resize anything. They all appeared identical, all measured the same and all matched your original post in physical dimensions (15.5cm wide).

I've got some other things I need to attend to so don't have time to pursue this more this evening. BTW, I use Firefox and the monitor is an HP2710m.
ruxpriencdiam


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:50 pm     Reply with quote

That's just it you dont have to re-size anything you just hit re-size and show pixels so you can see the image dimensions that are at 498x479.

They are the same size until you magnify your screen which is when you change the dimensions of the original image when you do a screenshot at a magnified view.

Which in turn means if you are using a magnified view more then true image size you are seeing a soft image that may actually be in focus.

As Laurin has said many times if i was with you i could tell you what to do and you would see it.
dhogan


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:55 pm     Reply with quote

ruxpriencdiam wrote:
dhogan wrote:
ruxpriencdiam wrote:
kenny123 wrote:
Why would you use paint? I save my images in "My pictures" from photoshop-no problems.
I dont use Paint!! I use PS!

Everyone is missing what i am talking about.


You are the common denominator. They all look soft to me.
Are you using Firefox or IE out of curiosity?


IE on a Mac.
ruxpriencdiam


Joined: 07 May 2009
Posts: 26307
Location: Third Stone from the Sun

Post Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:27 pm     Reply with quote

dhogan wrote:
ruxpriencdiam wrote:
dhogan wrote:
ruxpriencdiam wrote:
kenny123 wrote:
Why would you use paint? I save my images in "My pictures" from photoshop-no problems.
I dont use Paint!! I use PS!

Everyone is missing what i am talking about.


You are the common denominator. They all look soft to me.
Are you using Firefox or IE out of curiosity?


IE on a Mac.
Now what is the magnification size you are viewing at?

Because 100% is extremely small but yet that is the true size.

If you are viewing any larger you are not viewing at the true size.

so zoom out to 100%

Pick my original image at the 100% zoom and do a screen capture of it. Once you have it open it however you do, i use paint for mine then crop off all of the useless extras and look at the pixel size which i do in paint by hitting resize the pixels which lets you view the pixels size of the image you took from a screen shot in PS you use image resize and it shows the pixel size so you now have my original 100% crop viewed at the true size.

Now do the same thing except zoom in to 175% which makes it easier to see the screen and typeprint and now you have an untrue size because you are not viewing it at the proper screen size.

And you know you are not because when you do the screen capture even though on screen it says it is a 498x479 size it is actualy larger.
dhogan


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:08 am     Reply with quote

Forgive me, but I dare say you are over-analyzing this. It's all pretty straightforward stuff. Maybe your findings are correct, but posting an image at 100% for viewing shouldn't be that difficult.
ruxpriencdiam


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:12 am     Reply with quote

dhogan wrote:
Forgive me, but I dare say you are over-analyzing this. It's all pretty straightforward stuff. Maybe your findings are correct, but posting an image at 100% for viewing shouldn't be that difficult.
It's not about posting an image for viewing at 100% it is about if you are viewing the 100% crop at the true screen size of 100% magnification or if you are viewing the 100% crop at the untrue screen size of 175% magnification because it makes a big difference in what you are seeing.
ch4x4


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:14 am     Reply with quote

ruxpriencdiam wrote:
dhogan wrote:
ruxpriencdiam wrote:
dhogan wrote:
ruxpriencdiam wrote:
kenny123 wrote:
Why would you use paint? I save my images in "My pictures" from photoshop-no problems.
I dont use Paint!! I use PS!

Everyone is missing what i am talking about.


You are the common denominator. They all look soft to me.
Are you using Firefox or IE out of curiosity?


IE on a Mac.
Now what is the magnification size you are viewing at?

Because 100% is extremely small but yet that is the true size.

If you are viewing any larger you are not viewing at the true size.

so zoom out to 100%

Pick my original image at the 100% zoom and do a screen capture of it. Once you have it open it however you do, i use paint for mine then crop off all of the useless extras and look at the pixel size which i do in paint by hitting resize the pixels which lets you view the pixels size of the image you took from a screen shot in PS you use image resize and it shows the pixel size so you now have my original 100% crop viewed at the true size.

Now do the same thing except zoom in to 175% which makes it easier to see the screen and typeprint and now you have an untrue size because you are not viewing it at the proper screen size.

And you know you are not because when you do the screen capture even though on screen it says it is a 498x479 size it is actualy larger.


Quote:


kenny123 wrote:



Why would you use paint? I save my images in "My pictures" from photoshop-no problems.

ruxpriencdiam wrote :

I dont use Paint!! I use PS!

Everyone is missing what i am talking about.


In some posts you say "I use paint" and in some "I use PS". Which one is it ?

I understand what you're saying. If you take a screen capture of a magnified screen you will end up with a bigger image (I agree on that point). What I don't understand is Why would you leave PS or LR and open the image with IE and magnify the image and take a screen capture and bring it back to PS ? (I don't think that anybody has that kind of workflow.)

In effect, what you are doing is resize the image because when you put IE in 200% your image now takes 1000 pixels instead of the original 500 at 100%. Now if you take a screen capture, you will end up with an image of 1000 pixels. At that point, you're not working with the original file but with an upsized file.

Again, why on earth would you make a screen capture of your image when you have the original file ?

Edit: I just read your last post and I think I understand what you are saying. If the person has his IE at 125%, his image will not look as sharp as when he is viewing it at 100% in PS (so simple). Sorry, I'm slow :o)
ruxpriencdiam


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:21 am     Reply with quote

ch4x4 wrote:
ruxpriencdiam wrote:
dhogan wrote:
ruxpriencdiam wrote:
dhogan wrote:
ruxpriencdiam wrote:
kenny123 wrote:
Why would you use paint? I save my images in "My pictures" from photoshop-no problems.
I dont use Paint!! I use PS!

Everyone is missing what i am talking about.


You are the common denominator. They all look soft to me.
Are you using Firefox or IE out of curiosity?


IE on a Mac.
Now what is the magnification size you are viewing at?

Because 100% is extremely small but yet that is the true size.

If you are viewing any larger you are not viewing at the true size.

so zoom out to 100%

Pick my original image at the 100% zoom and do a screen capture of it. Once you have it open it however you do, i use paint for mine then crop off all of the useless extras and look at the pixel size which i do in paint by hitting resize the pixels which lets you view the pixels size of the image you took from a screen shot in PS you use image resize and it shows the pixel size so you now have my original 100% crop viewed at the true size.

Now do the same thing except zoom in to 175% which makes it easier to see the screen and typeprint and now you have an untrue size because you are not viewing it at the proper screen size.

And you know you are not because when you do the screen capture even though on screen it says it is a 498x479 size it is actualy larger.


Quote:


kenny123 wrote:



Why would you use paint? I save my images in "My pictures" from photoshop-no problems.

ruxpriencdiam wrote :

I dont use Paint!! I use PS!

Everyone is missing what i am talking about.


In some posts you say "I use paint" and in some "I use PS". Which one is it ?

I understand what you're saying. If you take a screen capture of a magnified screen you will end up with a bigger image (I agree on that point). What I don't understand is Why would you leave PS or LR and open the image with IE and magnify the image and take a screen capture and bring it back to PS ? (I don't think that anybody has that kind of workflow.)

In effect, what you are doing is resize the image because when you put IE in 200% your image now takes 1000 pixels instead of the original 500 at 100%. Now if you take a screen capture, you will end up with an image of 1000 pixels. At that point, you're not working with the original file but with an upsized file.

Again, why on earth would you make a screen capture of your image when you have the original file ?
It is about what we are viewing that other people post!!!!!!!

Not my workflow or anything else but what you are seeing on your screen when someone posts a 100% crop.

Are you looking at their crop with a screen size of 200% magnification or are you looking at their crop with a screen size of 100%?

This makes a big difference in soft or not!!!!
ch4x4


Joined: 02 Jun 2011
Posts: 729
Location: Montreal, Canada

Post Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:29 am     Reply with quote

Quote:
It is about what we are viewing that other people post!!!!!!!

Not my workflow or anything else but what you are seeing on your screen when someone posts a 100% crop.

Are you looking at their crop with a screen size of 200% magnification or are you looking at their crop with a screen size of 100%?

This makes a big difference in soft or not!!!!


I edited my last post to tell you that you're right. You are only talking about viewing at 125% or more in IE. I think the way you explained it was too confusing or maybe it's me who is too simple. :o)
 
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