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pixellence


Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Posts: 8
Location: Australia

Post Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:41 pm     Reply with quote

Hi All,

Very new to this, attempted this photo on my home made lightbox.

Hope i did all things right.

I have cropped 100% for 500x500
added a full image of 500x500.

Thanks,



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hhltdave5


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Post Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:53 pm     Reply with quote

From the crop you showed it is badly out of focus. Stock images need to have tack sharp focus in the critical areas.

Also if you were going for an isolation (no shadows) or an on white (with shadows) the background needs to be pure white and this is gray.

Light tents are not the best thing to use. Good isolations need good lighting from different sources and it is often best to light the background separately from the object of attention.

Remember isolations are just a part of stock photography and by no means the only part. They are difficult to do unless you have the right equipment and the right technique.

A bracelet such as this may also have a problem with copyright protection because it is so distinctive.

Thank you for posting correctly. Lets see what else you have.
ruxpriencdiam


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Post Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:06 pm     Reply with quote

Also add they are full of noise.
pixellence


Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Posts: 8
Location: Australia

Post Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:14 pm     Reply with quote

Thanks for your comments mate, I have been trying really hard to get a proper focus on to images.
Right now I am concerned more about the technical part & testing out on my wife's bracelet.

For Light I had 2 lamps each 40watts yellow light & butter paper to diffuse shadows.

You are right I was trying the isolation with the lightbox, I thought it would be a great way to start, (but I guess I was wrong) - (Any start points will be appreciated)

Looking at the details below tell me if I am doing something wrong with setting on my Nikon D5100.
When I shot this pic, i did make sure that my lens had proper focus, still my pic is not sharp enough :(

Be it indoor or outdoor, I wonder if i will ever be able to take sharp photos


Exposure Mode: Manual exposure
Exposure Program: Manual
Exposure Time: 1 / 13
Flash: Flash did not fire
FNumber: 5.6
Focal Length: 55
Gain Control: None
ISO Speed Ratings: 100
Metering Mode: Pattern
Sharpness: Normal
White Balance: Manual white balance
Lens Info: 18, 55, 3.5, 5.6
Lens Model: AF-S DX VR Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G
jhuls


Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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Post Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:33 pm     Reply with quote

I would say your starting point needs to be focus, doesn't matter what type of image you do, outdoor, landscape, isolation if it is not in focus then you don't have a shot.

Work on focus and composition first. Then we can help you with lighting.
banepetkovic


Joined: 03 Mar 2012
Posts: 135

Post Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 12:40 am     Reply with quote

pixellence wrote:
Thanks for your comments mate, I have been trying really hard to get a proper focus on to images.
Right now I am concerned more about the technical part & testing out on my wife's bracelet.

For Light I had 2 lamps each 40watts yellow light & butter paper to diffuse shadows.

You are right I was trying the isolation with the lightbox, I thought it would be a great way to start, (but I guess I was wrong) - (Any start points will be appreciated)

Looking at the details below tell me if I am doing something wrong with setting on my Nikon D5100.
When I shot this pic, i did make sure that my lens had proper focus, still my pic is not sharp enough :(

Be it indoor or outdoor, I wonder if i will ever be able to take sharp photos


Exposure Mode: Manual exposure
Exposure Program: Manual
Exposure Time: 1 / 13
Flash: Flash did not fire
FNumber: 5.6
Focal Length: 55
Gain Control: None
ISO Speed Ratings: 100
Metering Mode: Pattern
Sharpness: Normal
White Balance: Manual white balance
Lens Info: 18, 55, 3.5, 5.6
Lens Model: AF-S DX VR Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G


a) Put your camera on a tripod and turn VR off
b) Fnumber should be somewhere around f/8.
c) Lockup mirror
d) Use timer or remote control
e) Take care of a minimum distance for that lens - looks like you are too close to focus properly
f) If that is macro lens than turn on macro mode
g) Better lighting (if it's possible)
pixellence


Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Posts: 8
Location: Australia

Post Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 2:45 am     Reply with quote

banepetkovic wrote:
pixellence wrote:
Thanks for your comments mate, I have been trying really hard to get a proper focus on to images.
Right now I am concerned more about the technical part & testing out on my wife's bracelet.

For Light I had 2 lamps each 40watts yellow light & butter paper to diffuse shadows.

You are right I was trying the isolation with the lightbox, I thought it would be a great way to start, (but I guess I was wrong) - (Any start points will be appreciated)

Looking at the details below tell me if I am doing something wrong with setting on my Nikon D5100.
When I shot this pic, i did make sure that my lens had proper focus, still my pic is not sharp enough :(

Be it indoor or outdoor, I wonder if i will ever be able to take sharp photos


Exposure Mode: Manual exposure
Exposure Program: Manual
Exposure Time: 1 / 13
Flash: Flash did not fire
FNumber: 5.6
Focal Length: 55
Gain Control: None
ISO Speed Ratings: 100
Metering Mode: Pattern
Sharpness: Normal
White Balance: Manual white balance
Lens Info: 18, 55, 3.5, 5.6
Lens Model: AF-S DX VR Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G


a) Put your camera on a tripod and turn VR off
b) Fnumber should be somewhere around f/8.
c) Lockup mirror
d) Use timer or remote control
e) Take care of a minimum distance for that lens - looks like you are too close to focus properly
f) If that is macro lens than turn on macro mode
g) Better lighting (if it's possible)


Thanks for the feedback & tips


- My DSLR is tripod mounted
- Will change Fstop to f8
c) Lockup mirror
- not sure what Lockup mirror means
- Using a Wireless remote
- I am using a Lightbox & was trying to fill frame, will try as suggested

Thanks,
banepetkovic


Joined: 03 Mar 2012
Posts: 135

Post Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 4:26 am     Reply with quote

pixellence wrote:
banepetkovic wrote:
pixellence wrote:
Thanks for your comments mate, I have been trying really hard to get a proper focus on to images.
Right now I am concerned more about the technical part & testing out on my wife's bracelet.

For Light I had 2 lamps each 40watts yellow light & butter paper to diffuse shadows.

You are right I was trying the isolation with the lightbox, I thought it would be a great way to start, (but I guess I was wrong) - (Any start points will be appreciated)

Looking at the details below tell me if I am doing something wrong with setting on my Nikon D5100.
When I shot this pic, i did make sure that my lens had proper focus, still my pic is not sharp enough :(

Be it indoor or outdoor, I wonder if i will ever be able to take sharp photos


Exposure Mode: Manual exposure
Exposure Program: Manual
Exposure Time: 1 / 13
Flash: Flash did not fire
FNumber: 5.6
Focal Length: 55
Gain Control: None
ISO Speed Ratings: 100
Metering Mode: Pattern
Sharpness: Normal
White Balance: Manual white balance
Lens Info: 18, 55, 3.5, 5.6
Lens Model: AF-S DX VR Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G


a) Put your camera on a tripod and turn VR off
b) Fnumber should be somewhere around f/8.
c) Lockup mirror
d) Use timer or remote control
e) Take care of a minimum distance for that lens - looks like you are too close to focus properly
f) If that is macro lens than turn on macro mode
g) Better lighting (if it's possible)


Thanks for the feedback & tips


- My DSLR is tripod mounted
- Will change Fstop to f8
c) Lockup mirror
- not sure what Lockup mirror means
- Using a Wireless remote
- I am using a Lightbox & was trying to fill frame, will try as suggested

Thanks,


-VR should be off while camera is on tripod.

-Mirror lockup, is... I'm not a Nikon shooter, find some random discussions on google what is it and how to use it on D5100:

quotes for D5100:

"MLU is accomplished on the D5100 in a different manner. You select "Exposure Delay Mode" from the menu options. It will persist until you change the menu option. What it does is, when you click the shutter, the mirror flips up and the camera waits about one second before the shutter is released. I haven't used it with the delay timer, but I presume what would happen is that the timer would delay the shutter press for 2 seconds (or whatever), and then the mirror would flip up and the shutter would be released a second after that."

"1 second delay using Exposure Delay Mode (as already mentioned), or simply keep the mirror up using LV (as long as no flash or burst mode shooting is being used)."

"The Wireless Remote also can be set up with a 2 second delay."

and links:

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/understanding-series/mirror-lock.shtml

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=39074584

-Take care of focus indicator: focused or not (I'm not a Nikon shooter but it usually shouldn't be blinking) and WHERE ARE YOUR FOCUS POINTS.
If you have a problem with minimum focus distance look thru viewfinder, press the shutter speed halfway (keep pressed) and slowly move back - when focus indicator beeps and stops blinking that's your minimum focus distance. Then mount tripod on that distance.
hhltdave5


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Posts: 24094
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Post Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 6:17 am     Reply with quote

One of the best tips I can give you is that until you get the proper equipment (lights) to where you can use a good faster shutter speed don't go for isolations. In addition to the proper light you need the proper technique. Your shutter speed was 1/13 of a second. If you do not have a rock solid tripod you stand a good chance of getting some vibration.

All tripods are not alike. Many think that you just go out and get something with three legs and you have a good tripod. Most tripods found in regular camera stores are cheap, flimsy and basically meant for video cameras. A good tripod is nothing to buy on the cheap.

Doing isolations well is one of the hardest things to do in photography yet most start out trying to do them. Many think that using a lightbox will get the job done.

Lightboxes are one of the biggest wastes of money there is. They tend to give flat light because the light is bounced all over the place. They also restrict your camera movement and ability to shoot at different angles. Trust me, you are not the only one to do this. It happens all the time.

Good isolations are done by having good lights, the proper number of lights and lighting the object and the background properly. Remember you have the greatest light source in the world available at your finger tips - the sun. Learn about light, how to use it and how to control it.

Until you get the technique down think of doing shots in a more natural setting. Stock is not only shots of objects plopped down on a table. Stock is images capturing life in general in all its forms.
rudyumans


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Post Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 7:24 am     Reply with quote

Looking at the full size image, to me it seems not so much a focus issue, but more dept of field. The big blue stone and the little black one with the red stripes look a lot sharper than the yellow one in the crop.

The Exif data said that 1/20 with F7.1 as was used (Shutterspeed priority?) or F8, which might not be enough for a close up of such a relatively large object.
rinder99


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Post Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 10:27 am     Reply with quote

If ya wanna do this. Your going to have to invest some dollars and time with study and learning the basics of photography. DOF,Exposure and composition. throw away the DIY light table. Thats going in the wrong direction and will create Very bad habits. Go outside and practice, Also Your Kit lense....18-55 is very slow and not that sharp But can be used if and when you know it's limitations. Don't use it at either end. meaning 18 or 55. be somewhere in the middle. Get out your manual and read it 3 times from start to end. then read it again.You have a ways to go My friend if you want this.It's not that easy.Heres 3 new ones, Look easy? it's supposed to but actually very difficult shooting white on white and showing form. Sometimes we use Black flags, I used grey poster board..Theres a lot of tricks and it's mostly just a perceived Illusion with focal length and Selective DOF to trick a viewer into looking where you want them to.As in the chopstick shadow pointing to subject in the tomato shot.Look at Daves port, He takes his work to an artform.Elegant simplicity always wins.


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rinder99


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Post Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 10:37 am     Reply with quote

Simple everyday items..Toothpaste,A penny or a fork and knife can be an artform.And can sell rather well.Good Luck.


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pixellence


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Post Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 9:43 pm     Reply with quote

Thanks for all the comments guys, I love shooting outside, but read at few places that isolations are the easiest to shoot with a lighbox in place. But I guess its all a myth.

I am willing to spend some money on to it. My Budget at the moment is about $50-$100.

Any suggestions are welcome for the type of light. I do have a sturdy tripod & good 10x10 space in the garage.

Thanks once again everyone.
rinder99


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Post Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 11:50 pm     Reply with quote

$50 to a $100????? sorry. That isn't gonna get it done. your on a site with very serious commercial Photographers that have $1000's of dollars worth of equipment. Maybe at this time this isn't for you. You have to learn the craft and then you need to invest in the craft. I fear your not ready to do the work.At this level the bar is set VERY high.But.....Good luck.You have a long way to go and a steep learning curve.
pixellence


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Post Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 2:51 am     Reply with quote

rinder99 wrote:
$50 to a $100????? sorry. That isn't gonna get it done. your on a site with very serious commercial Photographers that have $1000's of dollars worth of equipment. Maybe at this time this isn't for you. You have to learn the craft and then you need to invest in the craft. I fear your not ready to do the work.At this level the bar is set VERY high.But.....Good luck.You have a long way to go and a steep learning curve.


I am not totally new to this, I know the basics of Photography.

I know the level are high but one can reach there only with determination & little support from the group. With all due respect you must have started somewhere some point. I will try to the best of my ability to get there, I know budget is a constrain at the moment but wont be always.

Thanks for your advice though.
 
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