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smileus
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 4:31 am
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| kenny123 wrote: | | smileus wrote: | | jhuls wrote: | ...
6. Composition
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You know, perhaps nobody should start any threads anymore. That's intimidating and not fair. People want to pass the review and don't know what the reviewers want, that's why they're asking. |
If The facts are intimidating, then perhaps macrame for a hobby? |
The quote isn't correct.
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jhuls
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 7:38 am
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| semmickphoto wrote: | | jhuls wrote: | ...
8. If you can't adjust any of the above settings on your camera you probably don't have the right camera for stock.
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But everyone here says, its never the equipment thats the problem. Many say that they have sales of P&S cameras. So I wouldnt put it down to have a DSLR as a precondition to post for critique here. |
I'm not saying it can't be done, I did say probablly But you have to agree stock is hard enough if they don't at least have a basic DSLR they are going to find it an uphill battle. Yes someone very good who already has a lot of experience with a DSLR can take good pictures with a point and shoot. I have several friends who can and actually prefer one because they are more portable and they can take them with them biking and hiking easier. And no the camera does not make the photographer, but that was the whole point of my post. It is a combination of having the right camera and the right knowledge.
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semmickphoto
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Location: Stuck between a shutter and a hard place
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 8:20 am
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I agree with that indeed :)
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cpaulfell
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 10:16 am
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Lovely catchy tune...
"...And the people in the houses
All went to the university,
Where they were put in boxes
And they came out all the same,
And there's doctors and lawyers,
And business executives,
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same..."
little boxes, little boxes...
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rinder99
Joined: 12 Jul 2005
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Location: Contact www.rinderart.com/Books and Workshops www.rindersmithphotography.com Youtube/rinder
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 10:44 am
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| cpaulfell wrote: | Lovely catchy tune...
"...And the people in the houses
All went to the university,
Where they were put in boxes
And they came out all the same,
And there's doctors and lawyers,
And business executives,
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same..."
little boxes, little boxes... |
Very true especially stock. But..It's the ones that break the mold and the rules are the ones Buyers bookmark. Trouble is, Ya got to know them before you can break them.
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evaners
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 12:30 pm
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After having read these critique threads rather religiously for a few years (yeah, yeah, I know, I keep saying I'll buy a camera one of these days), allow me to make an observation;
Most people come here for the first time hoping to discover the "formula" for good stock sales. Which is understandable, after years of "make money off your vacation shots" ads. And very frequently, the experienced contributors do their best to nail it down for them (incidently, I'm also guilty as charged over in the Illustrators forum). And there are certain basic principles involved, as far as image quality and technical precision, that are a given when submitting images. But when it comes down to "will this sell?" or "will I be successful at this?", there really is no "formula" to pass along to the newbie. It boils down to time, experimenting, researching, but mostly experience. Over time, if you stick with it, you start to develop a "feel" for what might sell, and gradually improve your return/image. And it turns out there is no magic "formula", no "gold-mine" image -- just an old-fashioned work ethic.
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kenny123
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Location: Masterton,Wairarapa, New Zealand
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 3:23 pm
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| jhuls wrote: | | semmickphoto wrote: | | jhuls wrote: | ...
8. If you can't adjust any of the above settings on your camera you probably don't have the right camera for stock.
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But everyone here says, its never the equipment thats the problem. Many say that they have sales of P&S cameras. So I wouldnt put it down to have a DSLR as a precondition to post for critique here. |
I'm not saying it can't be done, I did say probablly But you have to agree stock is hard enough if they don't at least have a basic DSLR they are going to find it an uphill battle. Yes someone very good who already has a lot of experience with a DSLR can take good pictures with a point and shoot. I have several friends who can and actually prefer one because they are more portable and they can take them with them biking and hiking easier. And no the camera does not make the photographer, but that was the whole point of my post. It is a combination of having the right camera and the right knowledge. |
The wrong camera with the right knowledge can produce very useable stock photos: The camera below cost $69.00 brand new:
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kellythorson
Joined: 22 Sep 2011
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 8:43 pm
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What really cracks me up is people complaining about "others" wasting their time..... ;p
I spend a lot of time reading posts here, but I can't really blame anyone else for that. :) It's educational, interesting, somewhat entertaining, and while I like to help out when I can, (I have picked up on the subliminal and not-so-subliminal messages that new contributors should sit tight and refrain from critiquing), the bottom line is I'm here because I choose to be.
If you're already an accomplished photographer, you're going to make it here without the forum 's help..... if someone is really interested and willing to put in the effort to make a success, I enjoy watching them grow, to me they are the real success stories. :)
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rinder99
Joined: 12 Jul 2005
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Location: Contact www.rinderart.com/Books and Workshops www.rindersmithphotography.com Youtube/rinder
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 2:11 am
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So do I kelly and always have for many,Many years BUT.... If they don't do the work, I won't either. I hope you [and others] realize the behind the scenes stuff. I spend twice the time I do on forums with Phone calls and PM's. I wanna spend the time I have with those that want this The others ....? trust me i've seen thousands never come back. I want winners. Sorry, Thats the way it is.
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greenfield54
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 7:42 am
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If the OP feels strong about what he said and the majority agree, then it's time to divide the critique forum into categories like they do in targetshooting. Start as TYRO, Marksman and Expert. That way those who don't fall into what category don't waste the time of anyone not willing or are just burned out posting. Then SS can assign exclusive critics for each category. Or maybe SS can filter posters depending on category of expertise so the posts don't get thru. A lot of work? Of course so the best recourse is, "Don't Respond".
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semmickphoto
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 7:46 am
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| greenfield54 wrote: | | If the OP feels strong about what he said and the majority agree, then it's time to divide the critique forum into categories |
It has been suggested before and there seems a real need for it.
So why not just very simply have/ask SS to split the critique section in two:
Critique / Tips / Tricks - Starters
Critique / Tips / Tricks - Experts
Problem solved
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greenfield54
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 8:05 am
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| semmickphoto wrote: | | greenfield54 wrote: | | If the OP feels strong about what he said and the majority agree, then it's time to divide the critique forum into categories |
It has been suggested before and there seems a real need for it.
So why not just very simply have/ask SS to split the critique section in two:
Critique / Tips / Tricks - Starters
Critique / Tips / Tricks - Experts
Problem solved |
+1. :)
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smileus
Joined: 07 Oct 2008
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 8:09 am
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| semmickphoto wrote: | ...
So why not just very simply have/ask SS to split the critique section in two:
Critique / Tips / Tricks - Starters
Critique / Tips / Tricks - Experts
Problem solved |
Lol, then some people post in the experts section only to be scolded and laughed at by people who claim to be "real" experts. ;)
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semmickphoto
Joined: 12 Feb 2012
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 8:12 am
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| smileus wrote: | | semmickphoto wrote: | ...
So why not just very simply have/ask SS to split the critique section in two:
Critique / Tips / Tricks - Starters
Critique / Tips / Tricks - Experts
Problem solved |
Lol, then some people post in the experts section only to be scolded and laughed at by people who claim to be "real" experts. ;) |
I figured that much, but then there will be always issues ;)
Here is the ultimate solution then ;-)
Critique / Tips / Tricks - Starters
Critique / Tips / Tricks - Approved Contributors
Probably too confusing now
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greenfield54
Joined: 21 Jun 2009
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 8:33 am
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| semmickphoto wrote: | | smileus wrote: | | semmickphoto wrote: | ...
So why not just very simply have/ask SS to split the critique section in two:
Critique / Tips / Tricks - Starters
Critique / Tips / Tricks - Experts
Problem solved |
Lol, then some people post in the experts section only to be scolded and laughed at by people who claim to be "real" experts. ;) |
I figured that much, but then there will be always issues ;)
Here is the ultimate solution then ;-)
Critique / Tips / Tricks - Starters
Critique / Tips / Tricks - Approved Contributors
Probably too confusing now |
+1 and critics must be filtered as well by size of port or number of sales per month. Now it just not confusing but insane. SS won't hire moderators to do all the work. So it's better to go to basics and just not respond. The poster will get the message.
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