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Kieran Gillingham
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 12:17 pm
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Hello
If possible id like some feedback on these 2 photos please. Thankyou for your time
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Kieran Gillingham
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 12:18 pm
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Crop of Lioness
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smileus
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 12:43 pm
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You have tried to remove too much noise and it's gone all wrong. Lots of noise leftovers and too much lost detail. The lion's edges seem to be unclean too, but I can't be sure without seeing it at 100%. The swan's head is blown and IMHO the shot has no commercial value. I think the lion, if sharp and clean, would have been good enough for the first ten, but unfortunately not as it is.
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Kieran Gillingham
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 12:51 pm
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Thanks for the reply. I took the lioness photo a few years back and cannot remember what i did to it post processing to be honest. I do have the origial and other photos I took of her so I will find them out.The lioness picture was taken with and old kodak Z650 point and shoot and too be honest even though I like the photos I took with the camera I dont believe the quality is there. Thankyou again - Im learning alot from your comments - mainly,nearly all my photos to date are not good enough quality and I need a new camera!.
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rinder99
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 1:02 pm
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On the cat. It has massive artifacts. haven't seen that bad in a long time.Time to work on New stuff?.
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Kieran Gillingham
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 1:12 pm
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Hello
Here is the original photo of the lioness with no editing at all. Obviously a poor photo to start with! Any comments on whether any editing could improve it would be appreciated. I agree its not going to get accepted and I will not be entering it.
Time to work on new stuff? I think your right about that rinder99
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smileus
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 4:06 pm
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You're welcome. It seems that your old point and shoot has already messed this up for you. There's noise and the camera has applied some bad noise reduction, that's how I see it. Your adjustments weren't bad, but I'd take it a bit easier with the effect, I mean this soft glow effect. To answer your question, of course you can still improve it a bit. A good noise reduction software such as Neat Image with the right noise profile and settings can at least improve things a bit. You could use the burn tool to burn the shadows in the background (as I assume you had done before). Whatever you did to the first version was nice for the contrast, but as I said the blur/glow thing is a bit too much and all the enhancing adds to the artifacts. Once you're approved you could submit this downsized to 4 MP if it's not already too small, and if it's rejected let go of it and shoot with a better camera.
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triceratops
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 4:20 pm
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Just for reference, here's approximately what you should be aiming for on future shots, particularly the eyes which should be well lit and razor sharp.
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Kieran Gillingham
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 4:45 pm
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Wow triceratops, those eyes really stand out now! Thankyou for showing me that.I dont want to ask too much but what approximatly did you do to it to achieve that. Also thankyou to smileus, Ive downloaded a Neat Image trial and will have a more detaled look tommorow. I use Paintshop pro x3 for any cleaning up of photos although I have so much more to learn. Thanks guys, your advice is appreciated.
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triceratops
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 8:11 pm
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| Kieran Gillingham wrote: | | Wow triceratops, those eyes really stand out now! Thankyou for showing me that.I dont want to ask too much but what approximatly did you do to it to achieve that. Also thankyou to smileus, Ive downloaded a Neat Image trial and will have a more detaled look tommorow. I use Paintshop pro x3 for any cleaning up of photos although I have so much more to learn. Thanks guys, your advice is appreciated. |
Well, first keep in mind this was all Photoshop work. I don't know if the software you mention would achieve the same results or not. They might, I'm just not familiar with them. Also, you can do things on a small image, such as this one, that don't really work out all that well on the full size original. That's why I said this is for visual reference only. You should strive to get as much of this as possible straight from your camera. Shoot as if post processing didn't exist.
First I darkened the fur slightly using a combination of match color and curves. I also applied a touch of sharpening so you could see what to look for from your camera. This isn't really a sharper image. It's an illusion and should not be used on the original or if really required, used only sparingly. The eyes were simple enough. They're already yellow, just buried deep in shadow. I selected both eyes using a selection tool, then brightened them up a bit with levels and enhanced the yellow color in color balance.
Anyway, as I said, the bulk of this you should be able to get in-camera. Always shoot images like this with a flash. Even outdoors. That will take care of the shadows around the eyes. If you can't use a tripod, and most zoo's don't allow those, learn proper camera holding and shutter pressing techniques. Manually focus on the eyes since auto focus doesn't have a clue what you want, only what it wants, which is 99%+ of the time not what you want.
Just take it in small incremental steps and you'll get there. Don't try to grasp everything at once. Too much information to assimilate.
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semmickphoto
Joined: 12 Feb 2012
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Location: Stuck between a shutter and a hard place
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 2:10 am
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I find paintshop pro very user friendly, however, its the buggiest and slowest software I ever worked with. Its a general complaint about that software.
Adobe CS is far more advanced en when you get used to the tools, its the best thing ever.
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Kieran Gillingham
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 3:52 am
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Hello everyone
I have just recieved a reply from shutterstock that I was unsuccessful this time. It states that 7 "Images that could have been approved if your submission was accepted"
There are 3 images on a separate part of the page with composition/cropping and lighting issues.
Does this mean that the 7 are good enough or because 3 failed they didnt look at the rest.Id just like to know if any were good enough so i can understand a bit more where im going wrong.
I have attached a pic of the page if it helps.
Any help explaining this would be very helpful.
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semmickphoto
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 3:55 am
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Thats weird, normally you need a minimum of 7/10 pass. You should have passed. I passed on 7/10
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Kieran Gillingham
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 4:06 am
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Thankyou,
Ive had a look around and it does seem that 7 did pass. I will wait for a bit more advice on here before I enquire to SS. Im pleasently supprised and disapointed at the same time.
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semmickphoto
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 4:16 am
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Right on brother
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