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fodagrafer
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 9:23 pm
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Hi everybody.
What are the previous uses/ sale types that would keep a photo from being legal as microstock?
I don't really understand what the deal is between microstock and macrostock.
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triceratops
Joined: 15 Nov 2006
Posts: 7875
Location: The other Nevada
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 11:18 am
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General rule of thumb is if an image has sold as RM, then it should not be available for sale as RF. Conversely, if an image has sold as RF, it should not subsequently be made available as RM. Also an image should not be available as both RM and RF at the same time. I know some people do this anyway, but if they are caught they are usually kicked off the RM site. |
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alison1414
Joined: 21 May 2008
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 11:36 am
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Correct. I have a few RM images on A... and those images have NEVER been submitted anywhere as RF. You can't do both. Imagine a buyer paying $250 for your RM image and then realizing he could have DLd it on a micro site for 36 cents, and that hundreds of other people already have. |
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semmickphoto
Joined: 12 Feb 2012
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Location: Stuck between a shutter and a hard place
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 2:52 pm
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Is FAA also RM, or is that different? |
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alison1414
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 2:54 pm
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| semmickphoto wrote: | | Is FAA also RM, or is that different? |
I'm not on FAA, but isn't that just people trying to sell their art directly to the public? Also can't anyone just go on there without being vetted or having to qualify? |
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apotterdd
Joined: 10 Apr 2009
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Location: Trying to get my latinum back from Quark
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 2:55 pm
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FAA is I believe to be another Print on Demand (POD) site like zazzle cept they do cards and posters. Not sure what else they do since I'm not on there. |
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semmickphoto
Joined: 12 Feb 2012
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Location: Stuck between a shutter and a hard place
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 2:55 pm
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| alison1414 wrote: | | semmickphoto wrote: | | Is FAA also RM, or is that different? |
I'm not on FAA, but isn't that just people trying to sell their art directly to the public? Also can't anyone just go on there without being vetted or having to qualify? |
Correct. |
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marcusvdt
Joined: 12 Feb 2009
Posts: 1204
Location: www.flashbackfoto.com.br or www.facebook.com/flashbackfoto
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 5:38 pm
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| alison1414 wrote: | | Correct. I have a few RM images on A... and those images have NEVER been submitted anywhere as RF. You can't do both. Imagine a buyer paying $250 for your RM image and then realizing he could have DLd it on a micro site for 36 cents, and that hundreds of other people already have. |
These are your inome. For the buyer, the difference between RM and Rf can be lower or probably higher.
Can a RM image available on A be sold as a print on a site like FAA?
Can a model photo with a signd release be sold on FAA? |
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alison1414
Joined: 21 May 2008
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 5:43 pm
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| marcusvdt wrote: | | alison1414 wrote: | | Correct. I have a few RM images on A... and those images have NEVER been submitted anywhere as RF. You can't do both. Imagine a buyer paying $250 for your RM image and then realizing he could have DLd it on a micro site for 36 cents, and that hundreds of other people already have. |
These are your inome. For the buyer, the difference between RM and Rf can be lower or probably higher.
Can a RM image available on A be sold as a print on a site like FAA?
Can a model photo with a signd release be sold on FAA? |
Yes,but some buyers go after RM to ensure that 3,000 others haven't already bought the same image, and the license might require some kind of limitations. As to selling it on FAA, you'd have to read the RM license terms to make sure it doesn't preclude that. I'm no expert. Sometimes it doesn't look to me like the buyers are abiding by the terms anyway |
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PaulCowan
Joined: 24 Feb 2005
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Location: Evolving
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 2:31 am
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| alison1414 wrote: | | As to selling it on FAA, you'd have to read the RM license terms to make sure it doesn't preclude that. I'm no expert. Sometimes it doesn't look to me like the buyers are abiding by the terms anyway |
It all depends on the terms you have with the agency. A lot of RM licenses don't offer any exclusive usage rights or any usage history to the buyer. If an agency has the exclusive rights to represent your image then the terms will be a lot tighter because then they can offer exclusive use or usage history, and charge a lot more for it.
If your image is not exclusive to a particular agency I find it hard to see how sending it to FAA could violate the RM terms. Without exclusive rights, the agency cannot offer any guarantee about it not having been sold elsewhere.
There are all sorts of different types of RM, depending on the terms the agency and buyer negotiate. Originally, RM was largely about buyers not wanting to pay more than they had to, so they would promise only to use an image in one way for a short time and would get a fair price for that. RF was more expensive because it built in reusage rights plus usage in every way possible. Micros turned that pricing concept upside down.
Exclusive rights RM was a different animal, providing the buyer with guarantees that nobody else could use the same image in a given territory and revealing when and where it had been used in the past, so it was a bit like having hired your own photographer.
For the photographer, RM also offers the chance to control usage - so you could refuse to sell an image to a certain sort of market or to a particular geographical area, yet still offer it to everyone else.
RF and RM are actually an overlapping spectrum of usage terms. True RF would have no restrictions on usage at all but all the micros do have restrictions - templates, print runs, on demand products, etc. so even here there is some sort of management of the rights, though it relies largely on the honesty of the buyer. |
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semmickphoto
Joined: 12 Feb 2012
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Location: Stuck between a shutter and a hard place
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 2:36 am
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Thanks Paul, that finally cleared up the RF RM licences for me. |
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