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jutia
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 9:56 am
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criticism please.I have the feeling that the focus and the blurred area is very close.
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digigandalf
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 10:02 am
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Yes, your DOF is too shallow. They're likely to want everything in your crop (the whole piece of meat) to be in focus.
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jutia
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 10:18 am
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| digigandalf wrote: | | Yes, your DOF is too shallow. They're likely to want everything in your crop (the whole piece of meat) to be in focus. |
So I'm thinking, makes the shot again with the aperture more closed
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triceratops
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 11:11 am
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What f-stop did you use? The IPTC data shows some weird numbers ... F0, Aperture F1024. And your speed was 1/15 sec. First before stepping down, you need to get more light. Secondly, if you stop down too far, while you gain DOF, you also get diffraction blur. To get greater DOF here, you may need to back up while leaving the lens at whatever mm setting you are using. This will give you greater DOF and you would then need to crop the image for proper composition. Apart from shallow DOF, the image has no "pop" to it. It is too monochromatic and flat. Just lays there. It needs some sort of sparkle.
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jutia
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 11:29 am
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| triceratops wrote: | | What f-stop did you use? The IPTC data shows some weird numbers ... F0, Aperture F1024. And your speed was 1/15 sec. First before stepping down, you need to get more light. Secondly, if you stop down too far, while you gain DOF, you also get diffraction blur. To get greater DOF here, you may need to back up while leaving the lens at whatever mm setting you are using. This will give you greater DOF and you would then need to crop the image for proper composition. Apart from shallow DOF, the image has no "pop" to it. It is too monochromatic and flat. Just lays there. It needs some sort of sparkle. |
Use a f-stop of 8,with old fully manual 50mm len FD
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hhltdave5
Joined: 20 Jun 2006
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Location: Our Stock, Food & Portrait photography books at www.rindersmithphotography.com
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 12:13 pm
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That was shot at f8 with a standard 50mm lens? You must have been very close to it to get that little DOF. I can see a marco getting that shallow of a DOF but it really looks strange for that lens at that aperture.
I am having a hard time figuring out exactly what the shot is. The fork seems to blend with the substance just behind it. I am not sure just what it is. It also seems as if it is floating on an angle. Its just confusing me.
What you can do to get two objects in the same focus is to make sure they are equal distance from the lens. If you moved the fork back so it was even with the other thing then both would be in focus if focused properly.
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jutia
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 12:33 pm
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| hhltdave5 wrote: | That was shot at f8 with a standard 50mm lens? You must have been very close to it to get that little DOF. I can see a marco getting that shallow of a DOF but it really looks strange for that lens at that aperture.
I am having a hard time figuring out exactly what the shot is. The fork seems to blend with the substance just behind it. I am not sure just what it is. It also seems as if it is floating on an angle. Its just confusing me.
What you can do to get two objects in the same focus is to make sure they are equal distance from the lens. If you moved the fork back so it was even with the other thing then both would be in focus if focused properly. |
the fork is not floating at rest the edge of the plate, in the air is the piece of meat
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rinder99
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 1:16 pm
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the fork is not floating at rest the edge of the plate, in the air is the piece of meat...
Why?? My problem other than not knowing what it is, Is it just doesn't look appetizing , The main goal for food work is making the viewer hungry.Keep at it, Your getting better.Good food work other than the tech stuff is styling.Look how dave style's his work,Colors pop and it's very artful the way he pulls you into the image and makes you want it.
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hhltdave5
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 1:58 pm
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| jutia wrote: | | hhltdave5 wrote: | That was shot at f8 with a standard 50mm lens? You must have been very close to it to get that little DOF. I can see a marco getting that shallow of a DOF but it really looks strange for that lens at that aperture.
I am having a hard time figuring out exactly what the shot is. The fork seems to blend with the substance just behind it. I am not sure just what it is. It also seems as if it is floating on an angle. Its just confusing me.
What you can do to get two objects in the same focus is to make sure they are equal distance from the lens. If you moved the fork back so it was even with the other thing then both would be in focus if focused properly. |
the fork is not floating at rest the edge of the plate, in the air is the piece of meat |
That's what I meant, the meat seems to be floating on edge. Not sure why.
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 11:15 pm
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Being a newbie, i can't comment on its quality. But i agree with others on the Meat floating. I suggest, you take a look a the top 50 images, there are quite a few on food.
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jutia
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 11:29 pm
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| hhltdave5 wrote: | | jutia wrote: | | hhltdave5 wrote: | That was shot at f8 with a standard 50mm lens? You must have been very close to it to get that little DOF. I can see a marco getting that shallow of a DOF but it really looks strange for that lens at that aperture.
I am having a hard time figuring out exactly what the shot is. The fork seems to blend with the substance just behind it. I am not sure just what it is. It also seems as if it is floating on an angle. Its just confusing me.
What you can do to get two objects in the same focus is to make sure they are equal distance from the lens. If you moved the fork back so it was even with the other thing then both would be in focus if focused properly. |
the fork is not floating at rest the edge of the plate, in the air is the piece of meat |
That's what I meant, the meat seems to be floating on edge. Not sure why. |
the meat really is floating because the lower curve of the fork is resting at the bottom of the dish, did not think it would ruin the shot,I will not repeat in the future
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rinder99
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 12:06 am
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Appetizing is the keyword here.
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hhltdave5
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 7:12 am
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| jutia wrote: | | hhltdave5 wrote: | | jutia wrote: | | hhltdave5 wrote: | That was shot at f8 with a standard 50mm lens? You must have been very close to it to get that little DOF. I can see a marco getting that shallow of a DOF but it really looks strange for that lens at that aperture.
I am having a hard time figuring out exactly what the shot is. The fork seems to blend with the substance just behind it. I am not sure just what it is. It also seems as if it is floating on an angle. Its just confusing me.
What you can do to get two objects in the same focus is to make sure they are equal distance from the lens. If you moved the fork back so it was even with the other thing then both would be in focus if focused properly. |
the fork is not floating at rest the edge of the plate, in the air is the piece of meat |
That's what I meant, the meat seems to be floating on edge. Not sure why. |
the meat really is floating because the lower curve of the fork is resting at the bottom of the dish, did not think it would ruin the shot,I will not repeat in the future |
Don't beat yourself up over it. It is just one of those little details I keep talking about. Remember just because you have a fork in the shot does not mean you have to show it doing something. A fork is a prop, just like a plate, a napkin, a glass etc. How you use those props is the key.
The issue with using it as it is here gives the viewer this rather large piece of meat on the end of a fork and they may wonder if the whole thing should be put in the eater's mouth or should they just bite off part of it and put it back down or should they use the bread in the background for something and so on. The shot should show how the food would be utilized if someone were to sit down to eat it.
If this were my shot I would have a few pieces of the meat (they almost look like the Serbian meat dish called Cevapcici) and put them on the plate and added both a fork and a knife to the shot. I would put a good char on the meat to give it that more appealing look and a slight touch of vegetable oil to give them that nice juicy look to them.
As Laurin mentioned you are getting better. Never thought food photography could be such a pain in the butt did you?? LOL Keep at it.
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semmickphoto
Joined: 12 Feb 2012
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 9:54 am
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Oooooohhhhh, I was based in Bonsia and Croatia as SFOR soldier 3 x 6 months and Cevapcici was soooooooooo good there. Watering mouth thinking back to that delish Cevapcici. I always ordered it when I had the chance.
Thanks Dave for bringing that up.
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hhltdave5
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 12:29 pm
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| semmickphoto wrote: |
Oooooohhhhh, I was based in Bonsia and Croatia as SFOR soldier 3 x 6 months and Cevapcici was soooooooooo good there. Watering mouth thinking back to that delish Cevapcici. I always ordered it when I had the chance.
Thanks Dave for bringing that up. |
My ex-wife's parents were from Sarajevo and in 1984 we went there to visit some of her family that was still there as well as cover the 84 Winter Olympics for a local newspaper who wanted me to do a series of photos and articles about the games.
We had some of the best food. Not only cevapcici but Palacinke and Burek. What made the food even better was that it was made by a Serbian Grandmother who was a wiz in the kitchen. There is a butcher here in Chicago on Western Ave that has Cevapcici and every now and then I go there to get some. I am still trying to figure out everything they put in it so I can replicate it.
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