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ruxpriencdiam · Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 10:54 pm

I have just made up $600, $800, $1200 and $1600 packages, now next it is on to the contract.

mikenorton · Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 3:46 am

Be careful where you set up your background. Don't forget that the earth will always be turning and constantly moving the sun in the sky. What works at 9 am probably won't work at noon or 2 p.m. Hope for an overcast day. Also don't forget about the wind, your setting up a great big sail. If you stake it down the wind won't blow it over but it might rip it and blow it away. I suggest finding a spot on the north side of a tall, 3 or 4 story, building. Put the backdrop as close to the building as you can. That way you might be in the shade most of the day. Or better yet find a place thats covered. Charge them for the background.
I agree keep your written communications short, don't apologize or make excuses, shoot them a fair price be willing to back off a little, but have a low number and be willing to walk away if they don't meet it. It won't do you any good to work all day for next to nothing. If you do it have a bunch like maybe 500 business cards ready to pass out.
Good luck.

ruxpriencdiam · Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 7:39 am

Good ideas Mike!

And yeah i will need more business cards now because what i have wont be enough.

Also like the idea of using the building but that will only be for when they enter and if they want to do isolation's in the event and i just used Google earth to check the exact layout and the cars will be facing north and south with the sides of the cars being on the east and west because they will be in the football field behind the School and they will have to drive by a building to get into the field and when they drive by they will be going east to west and of course the sun rises on the east coast and i am at just above sea level by about 10 feet where i will be and there will be no trees it is in the wide open right near Langley Air Force Base which is at sea level.

And it would be nice to have one of those large white vendor tents so i will need to check on that for next time. Maybe a rental place may rent one for the day?

And since gates will open at 8am hopefully all cars will roll in by at least 9:30am till no later 10am and then after that it is into the field i go.

An overcast day in VA in June? Yeah when there's a hurricane rolling in! Typical day HHH.

Low price contract see below.

$600 package Add $200 for white isolations
1) A single profile shot of each car, truck or motorcycle entrant upon entering (approx. 200/2hrs).
2) Another series of misc. cars parked in the field (approx. 200/1-2hrs)
3) Shots of vendors, sponsors and the general public having a great time at the event (approx. 100/2hrs).
4) The awards Ceremony and presentation of the trophies after the show is over (approx. 1hr).
5) Minor cropping of the images may be performed (approx. 1hr).
6) A CD or CD’s with the images for the event organizer to be used for promoting of the next year’s event and in any club magazine to be produced solely for the club (approx. 1/2hr plus cd’s).

NOTE*
Photographer is to be credited for the images in any and all publications, magazines etc. for the promoting of the next year’s event.

Photographer retains the image copyrights to do whatsoever he wishes with them to sell, distribute or display on his webpage or in any manner he may so choose.

All trademarks and copyrights contained in these images belong to their respective owners.

mikenorton · Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 4:20 am

1) A single profile shot of each car, truck or motorcycle entrant upon entering (approx. 200/2hrs).

Barry,
120 minutes divided by 200 is .6: That's about 35 seconds a car. In that time they have to pull to the right spot, turn the wheels, get out, get back in, and drive off, plus you still have to be able to reposition yourself shoot a picture or 2 and take some notes to know who is who. And you know they are going to want to wipe something on the car before you shoot it. Do you think that is enough time?

ruxpriencdiam · Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 8:44 am

Hey Mike i never thought about the taking notes.

The club will have a registration form for each car entering the event so i can always get that info but i will probably record it for each car that way i wont have to write it down i can just say something along the lines of John and Sue Smiths red 1966 Chevy Corvette and it will be done.

If i am seeing everything right it will be one straight line into the field and they will be coming in and going past me so it will be an assembly line type of lineup until after they get into the field.

And from seeing the other shows i have gone to they pull up and are directed where to go by the event coordinators at the gate. If it takes longer we will work with it. It's workable.

I will be sending him all of the Packages i made up today and then calling later to talk to him and then probably set up a time to meet at the location for a quick rundown of the particulars.

EDIT:

I also forgot to mention i will know at least 50 if not 75% of those there.

mikenorton · Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 3:01 pm

Good, you are familiar with how the shows work and you are working from experience. I was pointing things out that occurred to me. Good luck!

ruxpriencdiam · Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 5:38 pm

Thank you Mike.

mauijon · Joined: 02 Mar 2005 Posts: 4286 Location: Maui, Hawaii

Barry, you might not want to use it much, but a short-six foot-ladder on hand would give a few different compositions.

ruxpriencdiam · Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 5:51 pm

jeffbanke · Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 11:20 pm

Barry my comment about the SOL's is simply that not everyone is familiar with acronyms, I certainly had no idea what it meant, however I grew up in England from the age of 10, where our standards of learning were measured when you were 17 and you took an examination called a GCE (General Certificate of Education). This was basically a test usually something in the area of 6 hours per subject that tested your understanding of EVERYTHING you had studied from the age of 13 onwards.
Now just as you would have no idea what the hell a GCE, or an ISE was, I had no idea what an SOL was, to me an SOL meant Shit Out of Luck!
So you can understand my confusion with your acronym :-)

ruxpriencdiam · Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 8:06 am

mikenorton · Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 12:23 pm

Your welcome!

ruxpriencdiam · Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 1:52 pm

Now i wait.

All packages drawn up and emailed out yesterday and I talked to him earlier and will hear back later today then if I get it I send out the contract for them to see then drive over for the signing and then it will be an all systems go.

ruxpriencdiam · Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 9:36 am

OK Update:

They want it done for free the entire show and all images for their website and club magazine!

They say this because last year it cost them almost $7000 with advertising, trophies and everything else with only 100 cars.

Now lets look at the math:

Sponsors pay $500 there are ten if not more so $5000+

Vendors pay $250 there are around 25 so $6250+

Cars entering the event pay $25 each at 200 so $5000

Then there is the general admission $4 per person with over 1000 people easily so $4000+

For a grand total of $25,250 or easily more minus lets call it $10,000 for advertising, trophies etc for a total profit of at least $15,250 if not more!

And they cant afford $600 and i went as low as $400 for a few hours and they cant do that either they want it for free!

$15,250 and they cant afford anything! Ha Pffffttttt~~~~~~

I may just go for shots for myself and efm all.