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PaulCowan

Joined: 24 Feb 2005
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:31 am
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Check out the standards required by the BBC (owner of the world famous Science Picture Library) for their website.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18332793
I was genuinely shocked by these. They are way below average holiday snap standard. If the Beeb are going to let a reporter loose with a phone camera they could at least tell him to get the sun behind him when he shoots. |
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digigandalf

Joined: 11 Jun 2005
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Location: Twinsburg, OH
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:20 am
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Sad to see the BBC sinking to the level of Flickr (or worse). |
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mikenorton

Joined: 22 Aug 2005
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Location: Guide Book http://www.lulu.com/shop/mike-norton/nortons-notes/paperback/product-5079819.html
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:14 am
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This has all happened before. Back in the 80s when auto focus first came out editors saw that anyone with an auto focus camera could produce a sharp picture. So they started using these pictures because they were cheap (usually free, people just wanted a photo credit). Slowly the editors realized that they were getting what they paid for. Will that happen again?
Then again maybe the BBC had all their photographers covering the Queen's Jubilee. |
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rudyumans

Joined: 19 Aug 2008
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Location: www.businesshelpforyou.org www.rudyumans.com
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:52 am
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if you double click on the picture of the people on the boat you will see that it is actually a still from a video. The video is not all that good either
That is not the case with the other pictures. I agree, those look like cell phone snaps |
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evaners

Joined: 04 Mar 2008
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Location: Slightly northeast from the best ice cream stand in the world
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:15 pm
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The sad part isn't the poor quality of the images. Nor is it the fact that the BBC can't tell the difference, or doesn't care.
It's the fact that 99.99% (I did the math myself) of the people that will ever view the photos, will never notice anything out of the ordinary about them.
There used to be a time when we people knew the difference. They bought all the big magazines (Life, Natl Geo, etc.) because the photos were always amazing. Regular people knew the difference between great photography and their own snapshots, and they appreciated that difference. With the advent of affordable digital and especially camera phones, everyone has now become accustomed to snapshot sh*t as being good photos. And there's no longer any recognition of the difference between that crap and good photography. |
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rinder99

Joined: 12 Jul 2005
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Location: Contact www.rinderart.com/Books and Workshops www.rindersmithphotography.com Youtube/rinder
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:09 pm
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+1000 it was LIFE and LOOK and NAT Geo that made me wanna do this as a life. |
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mikenorton

Joined: 22 Aug 2005
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:56 pm
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| rinder99 wrote: | | +1000 it was LIFE and LOOK and NAT Geo that made me wanna do this as a life. |
LIFE was great! I remember being about 10 years old and seeing a picture in LIFE of a highway just after sunset. None of the cars were visible, all the lights on the curving highway were white on one side and red on the other. I knew that light traveled in a straight line and I remember thinking "How did they get the light to curve like that? And where are the cars?" |
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libyphoto

Joined: 08 Jun 2009
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Location: Oz
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:23 pm
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NEWS FLASH:
Was on a shoot today. The matriarch of the family informed me that the, and I mean "THE", photogrpaher in our town (not that he was any competition to me.... ehem!} is now working in the production facility of her company.
The definition of "irony" in this case is that, 6 years ago while experiencing the onslaught of digital in our profession, I told him in a phone conversation that "the writing is on the wall" (for the demise of our profession) - apparently he did not believe it. Now perhaps he does.
Every limp schlong (i.e. like obama) is destined to fail. See the writing on the wall folks, and stop thinking that you can right the wrongs and turn back the clock. You can't.
Figure out what you are going to do next and stop whining about being left behind.
The only other option is to become Chinese and hope they don't defer to Capitalism....
Good Luck. |
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komarinasia
Joined: 02 Aug 2007
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:49 am
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| evaners wrote: | The sad part isn't the poor quality of the images. Nor is it the fact that the BBC can't tell the difference, or doesn't care.
It's the fact that 99.99% (I did the math myself) of the people that will ever view the photos, will never notice anything out of the ordinary about them.
There used to be a time when we people knew the difference. They bought all the big magazines (Life, Natl Geo, etc.) because the photos were always amazing. Regular people knew the difference between great photography and their own snapshots, and they appreciated that difference. With the advent of affordable digital and especially camera phones, everyone has now become accustomed to snapshot sh*t as being good photos. And there's no longer any recognition of the difference between that crap and good photography. |
I still think that people can see the difference, but you're right, people have become accustomed to seeing snapshots online etc. So much so that the BBC put them on their website, probably without hesitation. The BBC were using TS images for quite a while, they seemed to have stopped now. |
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PaulCowan

Joined: 24 Feb 2005
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:14 am
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Not that a shot being from TS means that it is bad. At least it has been through some approval process at some stage, which these would never have passed. |
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semmickphoto

Joined: 12 Feb 2012
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Location: Stuck between a shutter and a hard place
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:03 am
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What if the BBC is sick of all the perfect made ideal pimped plastic unrealistic stock look that is out there and just wants to show life as it really is? Its a news site, not a marketing agency. |
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komarinasia
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:06 am
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| PaulCowan wrote: | | Not that a shot being from TS means that it is bad. At least it has been through some approval process at some stage, which these would never have passed. |
I agree. The BBC and others also push for readers images and videos, which can be great for them, but of course not much benefit to those who send, apart from having their name online for a while.
"In some cases your images may be used on BBC output. We will publish your name as you provide it, unless you ask us not to." |
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PaulCowan

Joined: 24 Feb 2005
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:43 am
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| semmickphoto wrote: | | What if the BBC is sick of all the perfect made ideal pimped plastic unrealistic stock look that is out there and just wants to show life as it really is? Its a news site, not a marketing agency. |
I'm not advocating using advertising shots in news stories but really bad snapshot photography has nothing to do with "showing life as it really is". The reporter could have shot from an angle where the faces of his subjects were not hidden in shadow or even used fill flash without losing "reality". |
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semmickphoto

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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:48 am
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Why? Its a news story on some tourists, nothing more, nothing less. I dont see the problem in this particular case. |
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robhainer

Joined: 03 May 2010
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Location: Dallas, GA, USA
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:08 am
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| PaulCowan wrote: | | semmickphoto wrote: | | What if the BBC is sick of all the perfect made ideal pimped plastic unrealistic stock look that is out there and just wants to show life as it really is? Its a news site, not a marketing agency. |
I'm not advocating using advertising shots in news stories but really bad snapshot photography has nothing to do with "showing life as it really is". The reporter could have shot from an angle where the faces of his subjects were not hidden in shadow or even used fill flash without losing "reality". | '
Or at the very least, exposed for the skin tones. When I was a photojournalist, you were taught to at least get the skin tones exposed correctly. |
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