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sorsillo
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
Posts: 94
Location: Boston
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 6:57 pm
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| Pete Bax wrote: | ...the computer has changed everything; Nasa's computer is a better
photographer than you will ever be and it knows nothing. |
pete, you cant be serious...
and could someone please explain how improving quality reduces variety?
as far as the cell phone camera thingy.....it's not the camera that makes the picture, it's the person behind the lens.
I was once told by a friend that the reason my shots came out so good was because I used Nikon....he was a know it all type and couldn't even figure out how to use his Canon Rebel.
So we were hanging out one day at one of the local cafes and he starts up again, whining and complaining about his rebel... I had had enough, I set my Nikon to programmed mode and we set off down the street.. I would stop random people and ask them to take a portrait of me, I posed any way they wanted and gave them all the time they needed....after the roll was finished up I went over to the one hour place and got them printed up......most of the images were the pits, and wouldnt you know it, the ones taken by my friend that couldn't even figure out how to get his camera out of point and shoot mode, well, he came out the worst!... the best were done by a local jewelery shop owner, they were the most professional of the lot.
And wouldn't you know it, the dude with the rebel got jobs shooting portraits because folk would see us out shooting together and he would hand them one of my flyers!
shoot... i kinda strayed again....
"it's not the gun that kills but the man behind"~ Jethro Tull
Be seeing you!
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StuartE
Joined: 28 Nov 2004
Posts: 1606
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 12:38 am
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I've done the 'camera swap routine' a little differently, a few times now, with people who claim that I take good shots because of my camera - I'll put on a mid range lens, swap the 10D for whatever they are complaining about not being good enough, and then we go shooting for half an hour - I haven't lost that little challenge yet... I shoot with good equipment, but that same equipment in the hands of the unskilled still doesn't help...
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Pete Bax
Joined: 30 Jan 2005
Posts: 1238
Location: Brighton England
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 2:55 am
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I deadly serious about the computer. I remember the greatest chess player who probably ever lived was humiliated by a computer call Blue. Some of those photos taken by the computers on probes are just mind blowing and transmitted over distances that are mind blowing. It takes about ten years for
NASA stuff to be in the shops like teflon and computers, and all These developements are now part of life. Just wait till their miniture cameras hit the streets based on current technology.
Who was the camera man who took the pics of Mars?
Since joining SS just over 16 weeks ago, I have uploaded about 500 files sold well over a 1000 files and looked forward to doing the same for the next couple of years until now; now I have been forced into having a rethink.
I beginning to think this site now is just for professional photographers and digital artistes, which I think best fits what I do, are no longer required. |
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Pete Bax
Joined: 30 Jan 2005
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Location: Brighton England
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 4:29 am
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The following was written by a expert on the mobile phone competing with the camera; also Visa are going to introduce a system that will allow you to send in the bar code and it will automatically deduct your credit card.
The time it will take he thinks is two years I think it will take five to ten years.
I think we are pretty close to a big change here. Not on how we use these devices but in terms of what they can do or mean for us. The only thing we need is more capacity in a smaller form. That will change the size which is very important. Another thing is battery life. It need to be increased. The only decent battery life I've ever seen is on some certain Philips mobile phones (Xenium model). When more functions are added to this mobile device, battery usage will increase. And providers need to offer more mobile services and add content. Manufacturers need to integrate these devices.
Let's hope the manufacturers will ship these devices with smart and easy interfaces so that people actually enjoy using such devices. Sharing your moments is something that is very important for people. We've seen that in the past with the success of sms messages. Managing your life is necassary to reach your goals. entertainment is important now and then so you can relax. All these different usage can be integrated, combined.
I hope that in two years i will look back and see how everything has changed. |
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fncdigital
Joined: 05 Nov 2004
Posts: 2147
Location: If there are any questions, direct them to that brick wall over there.
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 4:47 am
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none of this changes the fact that all the tech in the world wont make you take good pictures if you dont know how to set it up correctly, nore does it address the lack of "variety" you think shutterstock is truning down, thus creating the downfall of this place. Havwe you visited the critique thread set up on your behalf?
if not heres the link again
http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1384 |
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dkgilbey
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Posts: 724
Location: Hampshire - UK
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 5:44 am
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| Pete Bax wrote: | I deadly serious about the computer. I remember the greatest chess player who probably ever lived was humiliated by a computer call Blue. Some of those photos taken by the computers on probes are just mind blowing and transmitted over distances that are mind blowing. It takes about ten years for
NASA stuff to be in the shops like teflon and computers, and all These developements are now part of life. Just wait till their miniture cameras hit the streets based on current technology.
Who was the camera man who took the pics of Mars?
Since joining SS just over 16 weeks ago, I have uploaded about 500 files sold well over a 1000 files and looked forward to doing the same for the next couple of years until now; now I have been forced into having a rethink.
I beginning to think this site now is just for professional photographers and digital artistes, which I think best fits what I do, are no longer required. |
The photos that probes take are in the thousands, especially when the space agencies send them so far, you don't think they just have a 36 exp film onboard, do you? The images sent back are always stunning because it's never been seen before - also I'm certain that editing plays a large part of the finished image (even in this case).
As for computers & photography, I currently use the most powerful computer ever known to exist (I use this for composition, editing, enhancement, ideas & more...) - It still manages to get it wrong every now & again & again.
Of course cameras will get better over time - any consumer marketable product experiences this (laptops, mobile phones, camcorders, mp3 players, all smaller lighter & more powerful than 2 years ago) NASA doesn't drive this, public spending does!
I'm sure that there are plenty of pictures taken by computer/cameras that are absolutely, without doubt, terrible (also plenty that are wonderful) - the advantage they have is in the presicion of which they can take them (all of which is provided by people 'telling' the computer/camera what to do).
Even Deep Blue the computer that IBM built which beat Kasparov or Karpov (one of them, if I'm not mistaken) had to be programmed by someone...
As soon as this NASA stuff hits the streets we'll have 30MP cameras & the standards at ShutterStock will be even more than they are now, live with it & get over it... Maybe even get on with it..?
The time spent complaining here you could have bought/borrowed a photography book - read it - learnt something new - applied that knowledge - then started a thread entitled "I don't get rejections anymore"
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sorsillo
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
Posts: 94
Location: Boston
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 9:22 am
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let me see if i got this right.....
chess = photography
variety = quality
you're just totally messing with my concept of reality man!
what have you been smoking?
send some this way will ya?
Happy Easter to you as well
Be seeing you!
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dkgilbey
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Posts: 724
Location: Hampshire - UK
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 8:17 pm
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| sorsillo wrote: | let me see if i got this right.....
chess = photography
variety = quality
you're just totally messing with my concept of reality man!
what have you been smoking?
send some this way will ya?
Happy Easter to you as well
Be seeing you!
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Take the blue pill & get back to me... |
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sorsillo
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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Location: Boston
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 8:22 pm
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LOL
nah, with conversations like this happening, who needs drugs?
Be Seeing You!
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theodor38
Joined: 09 Nov 2004
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 3:02 am
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when i look at my old stock image i see the gigantic leap of quality i have made within the last couple months.. i have better acceptance ratio than i had 2 months ago and i think that is due to me trying day and night to increase the quality of my images.. iused to just adjust levels and submit but now i take my time with each and every image to make it a better seller and i dont see rejections very often... i did have a time frame where i had over 50 percent in rejections but instead of blaming jon and/or the reviewers for increasing the standarts.. i strived harder to incrase my own standarts too and i must say that it is paying out... |
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Erin
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Joined: 03 Mar 2005
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 3:13 am
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| theodor38 wrote: | | when i look at my old stock image i see the gigantic leap of quality i have made within the last couple months.. i have better acceptance ratio than i had 2 months ago and i think that is due to me trying day and night to increase the quality of my images.. iused to just adjust levels and submit but now i take my time with each and every image to make it a better seller and i dont see rejections very often... i did have a time frame where i had over 50 percent in rejections but instead of blaming jon and/or the reviewers for increasing the standarts.. i strived harder to incrase my own standarts too and i must say that it is paying out... |
Your work is awesome .. and full of variety too, I might add. Thats what we want all of our photographers to do. Not to complain and criticize because of rightfull rejections .. but to USE those rejections to get better.
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ragnarawk
Joined: 21 Feb 2005
Posts: 247
Location: Toronto
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 2:00 pm
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| theodor38 wrote: | | when i look at my old stock image i see the gigantic leap of quality i have made within the last couple months.. i have better acceptance ratio than i had 2 months ago and i think that is due to me trying day and night to increase the quality of my images.. iused to just adjust levels and submit but now i take my time with each and every image to make it a better seller and i dont see rejections very often... i did have a time frame where i had over 50 percent in rejections but instead of blaming jon and/or the reviewers for increasing the standarts.. i strived harder to incrase my own standarts too and i must say that it is paying out... |
The rejections are my inspiration, too, as masochistic as it sounds. I don't think I'll ever be able to achieve the sheer amount you have, but the quality and variety are certainly the next step for me. Definitely something to aspire to. |
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StanMcKenzie
Joined: 25 Jan 2005
Posts: 42
Location: Canada
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 3:12 pm
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| Pete Bax wrote: | The following was written by a expert on the mobile phone competing with the camera; also Visa are going to introduce a system that will allow you to send in the bar code and it will automatically deduct your credit card.
The time it will take he thinks is two years I think it will take five to ten years.
I think we are pretty close to a big change here. Not on how we use these devices but in terms of what they can do or mean for us. The only thing we need is more capacity in a smaller form. That will change the size which is very important. Another thing is battery life. It need to be increased. The only decent battery life I've ever seen is on some certain Philips mobile phones (Xenium model). When more functions are added to this mobile device, battery usage will increase. And providers need to offer more mobile services and add content. Manufacturers need to integrate these devices.
Let's hope the manufacturers will ship these devices with smart and easy interfaces so that people actually enjoy using such devices. Sharing your moments is something that is very important for people. We've seen that in the past with the success of sms messages. Managing your life is necassary to reach your goals. entertainment is important now and then so you can relax. All these different usage can be integrated, combined.
I hope that in two years i will look back and see how everything has changed. |
I stand corrected... I guess... Once NASA puts its cameras into telephones with "longer battery life" everyone will be a photographer. |
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StuartE
Joined: 28 Nov 2004
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Location: Adelaide, South Australia
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 10:03 pm
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Weren't most of the last batch of NASA shots from Mars taken with a 1mp sensor, using the whole probe as an automated tripod, and then stitched together?? Yes, it was an exceptionally high quality sensor, worth tens of thousands of dollars, but the concept is easily matched with the equipment we have available - but who wants to stitch together a 4X5 grid of images to get a landscape???
Cheers,
Stuart |
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