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perrush
Joined: 29 Aug 2006
Posts: 322
Location: Belgium
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:17 am
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I think a possible solution for this 'keyword abuse' (not really in this case, but in general) would be to limit the number of keywords to 10 or so.
then one really needs to think which keywords are of some use. Now it's more like 'the more the better'. If your image shows up in a search where it doesn't belong, maybe it won't got sold, but it doesn't hurt your personal sales either (at least not in the sort run)
maybe something SS can think about because the search function is the most important thing for designers I guess |
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Forgiss
Joined: 16 Mar 2005
Posts: 4852
Location: For videos of our shoots: http://forgiss.libsyn.com
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:23 am
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PLEASE DONT!!!
I allready have trouble keeping my keywords under 50, especially when you have two or three people in a group, or multiple objects, or interaction between people |
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perrush
Joined: 29 Aug 2006
Posts: 322
Location: Belgium
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:31 am
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hehe, if it was me ... but fortunately for you it isn't me :-)))
10 keywords in combination with a well managed portfolio could do the trick (making the search function more meaningful)
You could scatter the keywords across your (similar) images. When a designer hits one of them he can browse through your similar images because of your well managed portfolio. That's how it works on 'the other si"d"e' ;-) |
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stucorlett
Joined: 17 Dec 2005
Posts: 49
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:16 am
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| LuvThatVert:) wrote: | | stucorlett wrote: |
...do rejections just depend on if the reviewer is having a bad day or not? Or how about just not enough coffee? Spose they get bored too... |
Yes, yes and yes to the above question.
They must of had a good day, had the proper amt of coffee and were not bored since they spoted the bad keywords tough; lifestyle; strength; success; style; music; fashion; train.
How abt: young, youth, adolescent, juvenile, minor, youngster, kid, inexperience, junior, underage, "young adult", "joung man", boyish, boy, lad, male, squat, crouch. |
Good ideas, but then I guess you have to shoot actual images of people with real model releases and some respect for the person to have the privilege of using all those keywords. Being rude about the model is well........... |
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Forgiss
Joined: 16 Mar 2005
Posts: 4852
Location: For videos of our shoots: http://forgiss.libsyn.com
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:35 am
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| perrush wrote: |
You could scatter the keywords across your (similar) images. When a designer hits one of them he can browse through your similar images because of your well managed portfolio. That's how it works on 'the other si"d"e' ;-) |
Why would he want to do that if the 40,000 other submitters had the full set of relevant keywords? why not just choose from them and assume you don't have anything else? |
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swimpuppy
Joined: 05 Apr 2006
Posts: 287
Location: Oakland, CA, USA
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:00 pm
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According to SS's rules:
| Quote: | | Do keyword your images carefully. This is how people find your work. Make sure all keywords relate directly to the image. Using a thesaurus to come up with similar words is a bad idea. Think like a designer. If you were looking for your image, what keywords would you search for? For example: most would search for "happy girl", not "mirthful female". |
Man; masculine; male; handsome; model; strong; tough; lifestyle; strength; success; blond; beard; teen; teenager; style; music; fashion; portrait; person; human; rail; railway; train.
There's no music directly in this picture. No train either. This guy isn't lifting any weights so using strong, tough, strength doesn't quite fit it either. If a buying is thiking of those words and want to find a guy they will look up guy, man, boy...ect. A t-shirt and jeans doesn't quite fit in fashion either... |
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perrush
Joined: 29 Aug 2006
Posts: 322
Location: Belgium
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 6:06 pm
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| Forgiss wrote: | | perrush wrote: |
You could scatter the keywords across your (similar) images. When a designer hits one of them he can browse through your similar images because of your well managed portfolio. That's how it works on 'the other si"d"e' ;-) |
Why would he want to do that if the 40,000 other submitters had the full set of relevant keywords? why not just choose from them and assume you don't have anything else? |
because, even with good keywords, your image can end up on page 2,3 or even further.
When a designer really likes the setup or your quality, I think he will gladly search your portfolio to see if there is anything else which he can use or which is even better than the image which ended up in the search. |
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Forgiss
Joined: 16 Mar 2005
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Location: For videos of our shoots: http://forgiss.libsyn.com
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:03 am
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| perrush wrote: | | Forgiss wrote: | | perrush wrote: |
You could scatter the keywords across your (similar) images. When a designer hits one of them he can browse through your similar images because of your well managed portfolio. That's how it works on 'the other si"d"e' ;-) |
Why would he want to do that if the 40,000 other submitters had the full set of relevant keywords? why not just choose from them and assume you don't have anything else? |
because, even with good keywords, your image can end up on page 2,3 or even further.
When a designer really likes the setup or your quality, I think he will gladly search your portfolio to see if there is anything else which he can use or which is even better than the image which ended up in the search. |
I have to respectfully disagree with you here. If it works for you, great, but my experience has always been that better keyworded images sell better
(and by better, I don't mean more keywords, I mean accurate keywords)
I am of the opinion that a submitter must make it as easy as possible for the buyer to find their images. What you are suggesting, is that the buyer would need to go into my gallery and page through to see if there is any more matching his/her search.
...but, even if my gallery is searchable, because I used different keywords, how will the buyer know what other keywords to search under, other than the obvious ones they already used? Too much effort, too much time... with the average size of the libraries popping into millions, I personally think that buyers will not waste time (I might be wrong, but I don't think so)
The only time I used different keywords in a search, when I was buying, is if the keywords I used didn't bring back satisfactory results. If they did, I bought from what came out on my first search. I never had the time to go and "browse". Designers is always on a deadline... |
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nzdzeni
Joined: 09 Sep 2006
Posts: 142
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:24 pm
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I am also having problems.
Yesterday I uploaded two fractal images and keyworded them carefully (in English).
I got this rejection message:
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2875898 Rejected: Keywords--Your keywords must be in English, and they must directly relate to the image. Please edit
2875899 Rejected: Keywords--Your keywords must be in English, and they must directly relate to the image. Please edit
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I have over 400 images in my gallery and have not made radical changes to the way I keyword. In the past I have had rejections for noise and so on, but never for keywords! When I keyword, I use words like "abstract" "fractal", "background" and "texture" followed by the colours contained in the image. The images concerned looked like a pool with ripples, so the words pool, cold, ripples etc got added.
This rejection has left me completely mystified.
Worse, when I clicked on the batch link in the email, the batch was not there and whilst I can see the rejected photos in my "rejected photos" page, I can't resubmit them from there. Which means the "Please edit" part of the notice made no sense (as I could not edit the photos, could only delete them).
I have re-uploaded the photos (and key worded them again). Am hoping that this is some short term glitch / cyber weirdness and that the problem will not continue.
Has anyone else experienced this or is it just me??? |
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eagle
Joined: 03 Aug 2005
Posts: 645
Location: Akron, Ohio
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:29 pm
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| dzain wrote: | | perrush wrote: | | Only use keywords of thing WHICH YOU SEE in your image. |
That won't be enough sometimes when you must come to 7 words at least. I posted a picture of 2 baby goats lying in straw: the only thing you see on that are 2 goats and straw, with the words 'yellow' and 'white' you come only to 4. So I included, farm, stable, springtime, milk, cheese etc. etc. And it was okay. |
animal, baby, born, brother, cheese, cute, easter, farm, farming, friends, friendship, goat, heart, lamb, love, milk, new, shape, siblings, sister, spring, springtime, stable, straw, white, yellow, young
I would question the bold ones. And maybe add Ears, Sleep, Cuddle. I'm by far not perfect with keywords but it is something I've been looking at more closely than before. |
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eagle
Joined: 03 Aug 2005
Posts: 645
Location: Akron, Ohio
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:39 pm
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| nzdzeni wrote: | I am also having problems.
Yesterday I uploaded two fractal images and keyworded them carefully (in English).
I got this rejection message:
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2875898 Rejected: Keywords--Your keywords must be in English, and they must directly relate to the image. Please edit
2875899 Rejected: Keywords--Your keywords must be in English, and they must directly relate to the image. Please edit
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I have over 400 images in my gallery and have not made radical changes to the way I keyword. In the past I have had rejections for noise and so on, but never for keywords! When I keyword, I use words like "abstract" "fractal", "background" and "texture" followed by the colours contained in the image. The images concerned looked like a pool with ripples, so the words pool, cold, ripples etc got added.
This rejection has left me completely mystified.
Worse, when I clicked on the batch link in the email, the batch was not there and whilst I can see the rejected photos in my "rejected photos" page, I can't resubmit them from there. Which means the "Please edit" part of the notice made no sense (as I could not edit the photos, could only delete them).
I have re-uploaded the photos (and key worded them again). Am hoping that this is some short term glitch / cyber weirdness and that the problem will not continue.
Has anyone else experienced this or is it just me??? |
The reviewers are looking harder at the keywording now than what they used to I believe. I had a couple with the same rejection the other day. They were of an isolated sea shell. I stretched it with a few keywords like beach, ocean, crab, etc. which go with a shell but were not actually in the pictures. Took them out of the keywords resubmitted two and one got approved, the other rejected for the lighting. Cheers to the reviewers.
And when you get a rejection you have to re-upload the image, there is no way to edit a rejection on site. |
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