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despain
Joined: 28 May 2005
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:32 am
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While I was in Southern Utah last week I had my video camera setup on a major hiway bridge along the Colorado River. There was a loud roar which I thought was a jet-boat coming down the river. To my surprise it was a private airplane flying down at water level through the narrow canyon (about 100 yards wide with sheer sandstone cliffs). I managed to capture it flying under the bridge and then fly away. I only wish I had let the camera sit a couple of seconds longer before grabbing it off the tripod to follow it's flight. It's a great video but with airplanes crashing into buildings and threat of terrorism I'm not sure a $30 royalty free sale is the right way. This could be international significance and maybe a new video cam ;) . Decisions ... decisions.
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digitalchaos
Joined: 31 Jan 2007
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Location: Toronto, Canada
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:13 pm
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Hmmm, I'd really like to see that.
Julian
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despain
Joined: 28 May 2005
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:31 pm
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Anyone have any idea what a one-in-a-kind video like this might be worth to a news agency?
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digitalchaos
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Location: Toronto, Canada
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:05 pm
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You make a very valid point. However if no one knows about your video than no news agency is going to come knocking on your door requesting to buy it. So you either scope them out and try to sell your video, or you could upload it here. Which I suppose you could do both and if selling independantly fails, then SS to the rescue. Technially, (and someone correct me if I'm wrong) I believe you can post it on Shutterstock, AND sell it to a new agency for alot more money, little do they know its avaliable online to anyone. As long as the "news agency" isn't buying the exclusive rights to your video, instead just purchasing it royalty free off of you. Hopefully someone can confirm my explaination or explain it better. But thats my understanding of the whole copyright thing.
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varius
Joined: 19 Mar 2006
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Location: Bietigheim - Bissingen, Germany
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 4:06 am
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| despain wrote: | | Anyone have any idea what a one-in-a-kind video like this might be worth to a news agency? |
News agencies typically pay what's negociated. ;-)
This might reach from $50 from a local TV channel up to 7 digit figures for a spectacular plane crash where you have the only decent clip at all (and sell the exclusive rights).
Don't expect too much though. It's not like someone died or it was never to be seen again ever. Plus it's only good as long as it's fresh news. It might already be dead for news... Dunno.
Maybe you could try people that shoot documentaries. But I guess you'd need some inside information to find the right people - which I don't have either.
So my advice is: Try the local news TODAY - if they want it, they want it yesterday. If you're not satisfied with their offer, upload it here. Or try one of those editorial-only stock agencies.
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despain
Joined: 28 May 2005
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:57 am
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A couple national agencies have called me, they really want it but seem surprised I would like to sell it. Most of them have programs that people can submit breaking news, photos and videos so they are getting used to not having to pay. Since nothing happened on the airshow, they have time to put a program together talking about the risks of aircraft, terrorism etc so time isn't quite so important on this. I think they might try to hold out for a "donation" of the film to them. My feeling is that if they had sent a film crew to get a similar short video it would have taken two days travel and motels, food and salary. This place is not near anything, just inside a national park in southern Utah. Well the wheels are turning so we'll see what happens.
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varius
Joined: 19 Mar 2006
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Location: Bietigheim - Bissingen, Germany
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:23 am
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| despain wrote: | | A couple national agencies have called me, they really want it but seem surprised I would like to sell it. Most of them have programs that people can submit breaking news, photos and videos so they are getting used to not having to pay. |
Now that's clever. Come on people, send me your footage, transfer your copyrights to me and I'll make sure that it gets sold on the web - and I won't even charge you for that! Isn't that great? ;-)
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fa63yyc
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
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Location: Calgary, Canada
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:42 am
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| despain wrote: | | A couple national agencies have called me, they really want it but seem surprised I would like to sell it. Most of them have programs that people can submit breaking news, photos and videos so they are getting used to not having to pay. Since nothing happened on the airshow, they have time to put a program together talking about the risks of aircraft, terrorism etc so time isn't quite so important on this. I think they might try to hold out for a "donation" of the film to them. My feeling is that if they had sent a film crew to get a similar short video it would have taken two days travel and motels, food and salary. This place is not near anything, just inside a national park in southern Utah. Well the wheels are turning so we'll see what happens. |
despain
Please, do not give in and "give away" your footage. I regularly get $200-300 for stringer footage and hardly as spectacular as what you have, and that is for TV stations in medium sized market (1 million people). You will be able to sell it for a fair and reasonable price, stand your ground. After you've sold in (non-exclusive) to TV, then you can sell it on stock. I do that regulalry and just sold two pieces to our CTV affialite with my recent "British Columbia Chaos & Waterfall tour" (chuckle). Seriously, stick with it.
Francois
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despain
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:50 pm
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I'm standing my ground, even if they change their mind I really feel this is never a give away. I send one of them a short 6 seconds low quality with copyright notices watermarked across it. Now just waiting for a reply. Heck I really really need a new video camera, probably won't get that but no harm at holding out for something. Thanks for the encouragement.
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digitalchaos
Joined: 31 Jan 2007
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Location: Toronto, Canada
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:56 pm
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Which new camera you looking at despain?
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despain
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 9:27 am
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| digitalchaos wrote: | | Which new camera you looking at despain? |
Heck, nor really sure. I think it should be a HD to try to keep up with technology. I'll have to work on the wife a little. Last month I bought a new Canon 5D and the Canon 70-200 f/2.8 L IS lens. I have a feeling that the wife might hesitate with her approval .... well that has never stopped me before ;). I guess something in the prosumer line-up, then again the high end HD sony handicams might take just about as good of videos
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despain
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:05 pm
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Here's a couple of screen captures off the video.
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digitalchaos
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:50 pm
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How big is that plane do you figure?
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despain
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:23 pm
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| digitalchaos wrote: | | How big is that plane do you figure? |
It looked like a 4-6 passenger low wing retractable gear. Update: I just talked to the airport administrator of the airport that it appeared he was flying towards after or from before the fly-by. He said I should just enjoy the video since "no bend metal, no blood, no harm" and never think of turning it over to news or public viewing. He thinks that doing the fly-under was not unusual and just a thing pilots like to do. Heck I've got 20 years in the USAF flying the F-4 Phantom II, I can't remember flying under public bridges before. Yup I did some stupid things but always in the middle of remote bombing ranges where no-one lese could get hurt. Yup I also lost several best friends fly the Phantom doing stupid things too. No harm to them other than the wives and children they left behind. Too bad someone didn't stop them before they killed themselves.
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digitalchaos
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:30 pm
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I'd submit the video, in hope of someone buying.
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