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rinder99 · Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 12:13 am

Anyone Home??

dapoopta · Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:31 am

Rinderart,
What camera did you end up getting again?

First see if there is a compression difference between the mov and the mpeg4. I'd shoot whichever is less compressed, and sounding from your tests it is probably the mov you want to shoot in.

There are way better codecs out there than the mjpg and photojpg, but they are the industry standard it seems at the moment.. so you have to put them into that format. I do 95% usually, but it really doesn't make that much of a difference.. it depends on what the scene you shot is. and what is 5 more mb per 100mb files? Not much :-)

Why are you using streamclip? Do everything in FCP and export as photo/motion jpg (depending if you are shooting progressive or interlaced).

rinder99 · Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:00 am

Good Info. Photo/Motion Huh? OK. I tested eveything I could in the $3000/$7000 Range and I Ended up with the JVC 100U because Of Image quality to my eye and options almost went with the EX1 But it didn't feel right for some reason, Got an external Marshall Monitor, a Dolly system Etc.. Im doing progressive MOV as a master. Youtube doesn't like MOV much so for the tutorials and such Im going down to Mpg2. But for stock I'll be submitting the master MOV's and the arty stuff MOV also. The funny thing is after taking the Digital film making class, I came out more confused than going in. The teacher who is an award winning Nat Geo guy uses Prorez But he shoots a gazillion dollar camera that shoots to disk and the most confusing thing is and In this town where everyone is an expert LOL. everyone has there own version of what they do But, these guys are in a different class altogether. None of them edit, There are shooters only and editors only. One thing he did say although is trying to figure out the codecs is a losing proposition and he compared it to "Rearranging the decks chairs on the titanic" In other words ,,,His thought is It doesn't really matter and don't get hung up on it. I assume kinda like Jpg and raw.I test everyday and kinda feel the same, I just don't wanna spend the time needlessly.At this point in My life time is much more Important than Money.I have till January to learn before I start My little Arty Project work and short films with actors and stuff. Really excited for the first time in a long time. Thanks for the words.Would love to call you again Please.

dapoopta · Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:24 am

I'm always free to talk :-). Shoot me an email. Always nice to hear from you old friend. I will hopefully making it out there sometime soon again.

rinder99 · Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 4:46 pm

reicaden · Joined: 16 Jul 2009 Posts: 113

Hello :)

I've been following along and trying for a few months to get this to work right. So far I am just confused I guess, as I do not get the results I am expecting at all, based on the info in these threads.

Output is from a Canon 7D. It comes out in that unacceptable codec H.264 I believe.

So I went into Quicktime and Quicktime preferences, and enabled "legacy codecs" so that I could then select Photo Jpeg from my Adobe premiere drop box for settings.

So far these are the settings I am using:

1920x1080 output. No Audio. 29.9 fps. Quicktime -> Photo Jpeg codec.
Square Pixels (1.0), with Progressive selected.
No "optimize stills" and no "Render at max depth" selected.
Quality 100% (yes 100... still looks horrible).

What i get out of adobe premier with these settings is very very pixelated/artifacty.

The only OTHER method I have found that seems to be okay is to export as H.264 again, and then use MPEG streamclip to convert that output to photo jpeg. The settings I am using in MPEG streamclip though are the same... but seem to produce much better videos with less pixelation/no pixelation. its still Apple Photo-jpeg, 100% quality, uncheck interlaced (since its progressive video).

I'd like to export it directly from premier though because double encoding is probably eating at my quality (h.264 -> h.264 -> photo jpeg... that extra step is eating my pixels/quality).

Is there a way? Can it be done? Any tips would be great. I've asked a few from this community for support in the past. A few were very helpful, some never responded... hoping someone can set me straight or give me some tips on this one, I'm lost as to why adobe premier produces pixelated junk with the same settings as mpeg streamclip...

thanks in advance :)

micaelnuss · Joined: 11 Mar 2007 Posts: 433 Location: Portugal

Hi!
I also work with a 7d.
I use QT PhotoJPG at 90%/95%, straight from the h264 7d files, 1920x1080 (or 720 if the footage is also 720), 29,97 or 25fps (depending of the settings I used to capture), progressive, Square Pixels, I don't use "optimize stills" but I usually check "Render at Maximum Bitdepth" but your poor results shouldn't have anything to do with that.
I checked on QT (v7.6.5) and I don't have the use of legacy codecs activated and that may be your problem.
Right now I'm using Premiere pro CS5, but even in PP CS4 I could choose QT PhotoJPG as an option to export without activating the use of legacy codecs. Try it.

reicaden · Joined: 16 Jul 2009 Posts: 113

dapoopta · Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 10:28 am

If you are using CS4 there is an update for that issue... I don't remember what it is called, but some media manger or something. Find it!!! :-P

reicaden · Joined: 16 Jul 2009 Posts: 113

reicaden · Joined: 16 Jul 2009 Posts: 113

YES! Thank you everyone, it is fixed... I updated my CS4 and poof, its no longer artifacting like crazy when i export as photojpg!

<--- SO HAPPY!

Now, anyway to remove "noise" in adobe premier? Sorta noisy (always have been to my eye, even at ISO100)

dapoopta · Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 10:24 pm

post a picture of what you are talking about... sometimes video seems to have 'noise' but it isn't that bad...

glad you fixed that cs4 issue!!