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alina
Joined: 05 Jul 2005
Posts: 967
Location: Phillips Ranch, CA
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:16 am
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Hey, you just got out of photography school....surely you can network, can't you? I think we all understand about being on a budget and, you know, creativity doesn't have to start and end in your doodlepad. get creative with the financing! it's worth it, if you want it. Don't you have some friends (former classmates) whose DSLR you can borrow for a weekend to shoot your initial 10? I know I just sold my D70s for $350 on Craigslist, so there must be deals like that all over the place. You gotta be smart. Getting a point and shoot will just make you frustrated. Also, think about this: if you really want to go leaps and bounds in this business, how are your future models going to treat you and how will they work for you if, after all their work and labor getting prettied up and all, you pull out a P&S? They just won't trust you as a professional. It's sad, but true. Your equipment speaks for you in ways other than in the images that you produce.
Good luck with everything!
--Alina |
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rinder99
Joined: 12 Jul 2005
Posts: 39667
Location: Contact www.rinderart.com/Books and Workshops www.rindersmithphotography.com Youtube/rinder
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:21 am
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| hauntfactory wrote: | | bichon wrote: | | redcloud wrote: | Actually, while you have little control over a point and shoot, you can still have small depth of field if you get in really close.
But, all my 10 first images were rejected...limited commercial value. So, I have to wait 30 days + I have to use my point and shoot. Maybe on day I can afford a REAL camera, but for now I just can't afford it. |
Ken Rockwell, as well as many others who review cameras on the web, LOVES the nikon D40 and it is highly rated and on the verge of distinction. i believe production is ending. My wife bought one for $499 with the kit lens.
For the best possible camera for just about anything, fun or serious, I use my Nikon D40.
I own more expensive cameras, but whenever I grab a camera for my own personal vacations or family photos, it's almost always my remarkable Nikon D40. There isn't anything reasonable I can't do with Nikon's least expensive D40.
http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/recommended-cameras.htm |
I personally go by the Phil Askey reviews on www.dpreview.com
You can download full-res image samples from a wide variety of cameras and evaluate them yourself. You can also read the reviews and make an educated choice. |
First of all, Don't believe what you read. And second, Images you see on the internet have nothing to do with real exposures and what you will get and Mostly what reviewers look for. Read a review,Look at an image, Buy a camera and wonder why you get rejected. Thats Plain silly bad , BAD advice. Period. Your going to have to study a bit, Learn what the hell your doing and why your here. Has NOTHING to do with some stupid review."Download full rez versions" Are some people still this Ignorant as to make a decision on an image someone else took to sell a camera? My God. I did camera reviews 8 years ago and I swear Im going to hell for what I said back then. " How good does your equipment need to be" It needs to be as good as your talent is. Up to you to figure that out.Think about it. |
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rinder99
Joined: 12 Jul 2005
Posts: 39667
Location: Contact www.rinderart.com/Books and Workshops www.rindersmithphotography.com Youtube/rinder
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:25 am
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| alina wrote: | Hey, you just got out of photography school....surely you can network, can't you? I think we all understand about being on a budget and, you know, creativity doesn't have to start and end in your doodlepad. get creative with the financing! it's worth it, if you want it. Don't you have some friends (former classmates) whose DSLR you can borrow for a weekend to shoot your initial 10? I know I just sold my D70s for $350 on Craigslist, so there must be deals like that all over the place. You gotta be smart. Getting a point and shoot will just make you frustrated. Also, think about this: if you really want to go leaps and bounds in this business, how are your future models going to treat you and how will they work for you if, after all their work and labor getting prettied up and all, you pull out a P&S? They just won't trust you as a professional. It's sad, but true. Your equipment speaks for you in ways other than in the images that you produce.
Good luck with everything!
--Alina |
Well said alina. Im sure Bobby deals models would Just love to see a G9 As would mine or alina's. Lets get real folks. |
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hauntfactory
Joined: 26 Feb 2006
Posts: 69
Location: California
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:46 am
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Rinder, please do not be rude. I'm just trying to help. DPReview helped me, maybe it'll help someone else. |
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alina
Joined: 05 Jul 2005
Posts: 967
Location: Phillips Ranch, CA
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:00 am
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| rinder99 wrote: | | alina wrote: | Hey, you just got out of photography school....surely you can network, can't you? I think we all understand about being on a budget and, you know, creativity doesn't have to start and end in your doodlepad. get creative with the financing! it's worth it, if you want it. Don't you have some friends (former classmates) whose DSLR you can borrow for a weekend to shoot your initial 10? I know I just sold my D70s for $350 on Craigslist, so there must be deals like that all over the place. You gotta be smart. Getting a point and shoot will just make you frustrated. Also, think about this: if you really want to go leaps and bounds in this business, how are your future models going to treat you and how will they work for you if, after all their work and labor getting prettied up and all, you pull out a P&S? They just won't trust you as a professional. It's sad, but true. Your equipment speaks for you in ways other than in the images that you produce.
Good luck with everything!
--Alina |
Well said alina. Im sure Bobby deals models would Just love to see a G9 As would mine or alina's. Lets get real folks. |
No, seriously, isn't that the funniest thing ever? It's a pretty recent discovery for me how much models LOOOOOVEEEE equipment. It was eye-opening for me. Now bear with me here. All I've gots so far is a D200 and then I went out and bought two SB800s, two umbrellas, two light stands and three color papers. And wouldn't you know it? All these people I had to court before now, suddenly, have open schedules. Before, I had to use my best equipment (my boyfriend) to hold the reflector and scrims outside. Now he can relax and chill while my models pirouette under my--pretty rudimentary, actually :)--lights. And, not to draw any inappropriate attention to my port or anything, but I even got my mom to do a little on camera stripping for those ultra natural older woman beauty shots. (lol). MY SISTER FREAKED!!! But hey, it's the lights, I tell ya! :P) |
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epixx
Joined: 02 Mar 2006
Posts: 327
Location: Samut Prakan, Thailand
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:21 am
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| hauntfactory wrote: | | Rinder, please do not be rude. I'm just trying to help. DPReview helped me, maybe it'll help someone else. |
Laurin isn't rude, he just tells the truth. The only thing dpreview proves, is that you can take photos with all the cameras they review. There's nothing about real life shooting situations there, and nothing about lenses. The biggest differences between DSLR's below $2,000 these days are features and price, both of which can be found by visiting a camera shop. That, in addition to many pages of high ISO noise, which is more or less the same for all those cameras, is what Mr. Askey writes about. |
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hauntfactory
Joined: 26 Feb 2006
Posts: 69
Location: California
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:38 am
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"Has NOTHING to do with some stupid review."Download full rez versions" Are some people still this Ignorant as to make a decision on an image someone else took to sell a camera?"
You're right . . . that's not rude. What was I thinking?
Noise levels differ from camera to camera. Reviewing photos for noise is a bad thing? How so, when shutterstock is so strict on this? How do they arrive at their judgment on noisy photos anyways? Software, or naked eye - zoom 100%?
So, in an effort to help the original poster and stay on topic, you can get a Canon 20D body for under $500. Get a good lens and you should be set. There are cheap softbox flash units on eBay for pretty cheap. That should get you started. |
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dvest
Joined: 19 May 2007
Posts: 249
Location: Southeastern USA
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:39 am
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I think some review sites such as www.stevesdigicams.com can be helpful when choosing equipment. At least you can compare full resolution pictures taken with different cameras in similar settings. That way you can look at each photo at 100% and make your own decision as to which has better quality. It's up to you whether you believe the reviewers comments or not. |
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hauntfactory
Joined: 26 Feb 2006
Posts: 69
Location: California
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:42 am
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| dvest wrote: | | I think some review sites such as www.stevesdigicams.com can be helpful when choosing equipment. At least you can compare full resolution pictures taken with different cameras in similar settings. That way you can look at each photo at 100% and make your own decision as to which has better quality. It's up to you whether you believe the reviewers comments or not. |
I agree completely! |
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camabs
Joined: 14 Apr 2007
Posts: 80
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:53 am
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Why is everbody talking about equipment, when lighting is the real issue? High-end point and shoots will have low noise if you use enough light. And any lense will come out fine if you stop it down to f/8, which you can if you have enough light.
True, the hit rate with a dSLR will be higher, so you might want to consider spending as much as you can grab together on a second hand body and the cheap but very good 50/1.8 (any brand has them). |
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madburst
Joined: 11 Jan 2007
Posts: 93
Location: Belgium
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:32 am
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Question....
What the hell do these people learn at school...
...point and shoot?
Not that I know how to do it all, but I didn't follow some sort of photography course at some school...
In my opinion you should know how usefull equipment is if you don't know buy yourself something like this... 
I just love this optical viewfinder of this baby... (because it looks like a fat donut from out of space)
Couldn't resist...
Sick Little Me
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epixx
Joined: 02 Mar 2006
Posts: 327
Location: Samut Prakan, Thailand
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:10 am
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| dvest wrote: | | I think some review sites such as www.stevesdigicams.com can be helpful when choosing equipment. At least you can compare full resolution pictures taken with different cameras in similar settings. That way you can look at each photo at 100% and make your own decision as to which has better quality. It's up to you whether you believe the reviewers comments or not. |
Differences in noise between current budget DSLRs are so small that they are hardly worth mentioning, particularly when shooting for stock, which is mostly done at low ISO anyway. Differences between lenses on the other hand, can be great, and without correct lighting and exposure, any camera is dead in the water.
The ultra-cheap Pentax K100D or Nikon D40 are both good starting points, and the prices are lower than for an advanced p&s. Very good lenses can be found for both, new as well as used. The Pentax even comes with in-body IS that works with any old K-mount lens. |
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mikeledray
Joined: 14 Nov 2004
Posts: 17943
Location: http://www.partytimephotobooth.net
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:49 am
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try starting out with a Canon Digital Rebel or a Used 10D (you can probably get a good used 10D for $100.00-$300.00 bucks)
I would recomend Canon they are a good company and make good equiptment
best of luck
and dont fall for all those Nikon Guys
He he he
oh in reality both Canon and Nikon are Great Cameras
use either one and you will be fine
but go with Canon!
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bichon
Joined: 19 Aug 2005
Posts: 11329
Location: Canada
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:21 am
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| mikeledray wrote: | try starting out with a Canon Digital Rebel or a Used 10D (you can probably get a good used 10D for $100.00-$300.00 bucks)
I would recomend Canon they are a good company and make good equiptment
best of luck
and dont fall for all those Nikon Guys
He he he
oh in reality both Canon and Nikon are Great Cameras
use either one and you will be fine
but go with Canon!
:) |
actually, for stock work, maybe a canon is a better choice in terms of noise, although the recent CDD technology/noise reduction software is catching up.
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msdnv
Joined: 06 Jun 2006
Posts: 120
Location: Tallinn, Estonia
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:00 am
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Canon EOS 20 D
Lenses ....
Einchrom 400 kit ... + 2 more monobloks etc ... |
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