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snokid


Joined: 26 Jul 2006
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Location: Troy Michigan USA

Post Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:40 am     Reply with quote

redcloud wrote:

I didn't use a point and shoot, I used my film SLR, and they got rejected because of "limited commercial value" due to framing, but I don't just see what was wrong, I used rules of composition, framing is one of them.


Take the next 30 days to post some pictures and the people here will be more than willing to help you.

Shutterstock out of all the microstock agencies seems to have the best group of people on the forums.

What other kind of business can you go in to and ask your competition for help and they fall over themselves trying to help you make it big? Go try that with a photographer in your area, see how far that gets you!!!

anyways keep it fun, if it starts to seem like work you will get burnt out quick.

Bob
rinder99


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Post Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:55 am     Reply with quote

snokid wrote:
Mike Johnston, former editor of Photo Techniques magazine, claims to have coined the bokeh spelling to suggest the correct pronunciation to English speakers, replacing the previous spelling boke that derived directly from the Japanese word for "fuzzy" and had been in use at least since 1996


Bokeh can be simulated by convolving the image with a kernel corresponding to the image of an out-of-focus point source taken with a real camera. Diffraction may alter the effective shape of the blur. Some graphics editors have a filter to do this, usually called "Lens Blur", though Gaussian blur is often used when realistic bokeh is not required.

If you have time to read this explains it really well...
http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/technical/bokeh.html


It all boils down to how much can you get right in the camera before Photoshop I guess...



BINGO!
snokid


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Post Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:23 am     Reply with quote

photonotebook wrote:
snokid wrote:
Im sorry blur is not the same as bokeh.

Bob


Well, you are right it's not. But for somebody with a p&s and somebody who has a vision of what they want to achieve & the depth they want to achieve using their p&s, PS offers a solution without the need to buy a new camera, lenses, and so on. I am not saying that everybody should stick with p&s because they can always ps their work to the desired result. But, if you are stuck with a certain kind of camera, you have to learn to be able to work around its limitations and still achieve the effects you want to achieve. That's all.


Olga, I'm not trying to pick on you.
With a P&S you have some very nice photo's, just think if you had a better camera how much better you would do!

I really like this shot, grabbing my flip flops right now!!! Oh damn there's snow here!!!!!

Bob


kenny123


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Post Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:41 pm     Reply with quote

Quite simply, master whatever equipment you have-all arguments whether nikon v canon,PC v mac,p&s v dslr,are a total waste of time,just make the most of what you have,realise the limitations of your equipment,and master basic photography. Regards, Ken
ryanpatrick


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Post Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:33 pm     Reply with quote

There's an old Irish expression: You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

Get yourself a Nikon D40 with a 50mm f/1.8 lens or the best medium zoom you can afford.

(Oh oh . . . better check to see if that 50mm will function on the D40. Sorry.)

Ryan
kenny123


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Post Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 12:51 pm     Reply with quote

ryanpatrick wrote:
There's an old Irish expression: You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.


Ryan


You can when you know the secret......You master your camera, (and photography) realising it's limitations and you can get images accepted here... In the same way you can turn base metal into gold-as the ancient alchemists used to do-they knew that gold dissolves in mercury, so they poured mercury(containing gold) into a pot, placed a piece of base metal into the mercury-boiled the mercury away, with the gold wrapping itself around the base metal.

regards, Ken
cptbiscuit


Joined: 27 Jan 2008
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Post Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:10 pm     Reply with quote

Hello everyone!
This is my first post. I've been shooting for over 15 years, and have made a pretty good second income from shooting sports in that time. I've been reading about the whole microstock agency industry, and thought I'd give it a shot.
I started out shooting back in the film era with an old Pentax K1000, slowly adding a kmart-brand zoom lens here and a 2x converter there. I mostly shot college and pro sports from the stands, with lousy results. I submitted lots of photos to different outlets, and received lots of rejection letters. One Sunday, I was lucky enough to speak to a pro who was shooting at a college baseball game. He took one look at my gear and said," Spending $50 for a cheap lens and another $75 for another cheap lens may seem smart now, but after a while you've got $1000 worth of crappy gear!" He advised me to get a good Nikon or Canon SLR body and a good quality lens or two, even if I had to take out a small loan. I ended up buying a Nikon n6006, 70-210 zoom and 400mm f5.6 Sigma. I sold my first photo a month later to a national magazine, and have since been published literally thousands of times. There is a lot to be said for skill, but you really need the right tools to get consistently great results. If you're really serious about shooting, get a DSLR...it may cost more now, but you'll save money in the long run.
Good luck to you all!
kenny123


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Post Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:09 pm     Reply with quote

hauntfactory wrote:

Noise levels differ from camera to camera. Reviewing photos for noise is a bad thing? How so, when shutterstock is so strict on this? How do they arrive at their judgment on noisy photos anyways? Software, or naked eye - zoom 100%?


Yes, Noise levels can differ from camera to camera,but 99.9% of noise problems are due to user incompetance-If you master Exposure, you can tame the noise in any digital camera. Mastering Exposure is a simple as seeing the light, and looking at how hard or soft shadows are; and Manually exposing to suit conditions-and if you want to argue that-you are a lost soul- I get images accepted here, taken on a Canon powershot A430 4MP; an Olympus D560 3.2 MP,a Casio advanced compact QV5700 5MP, and a Nikon D-50 6.1MP. Regards, Ken
eppicphotos


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Post Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 1:39 am     Reply with quote

I will argue though that cameras, especially PS cameras and even "advanced" PS cameras can have their limitations no matter how good you are.
For example my wife has a Fujifilm 9MP S9100. I've tried my best to get anything stock-worthy out of this
(over priced) 600.00 camera, but the artifacting is what kills the photos.
Doesn't matter if I shoot ISO 80, shoot RAW, play with the sharpness settings, use a tripod, whatever, I still get unacceptable artifacting that by the time I get rid of it degrades the photo to an unacceptable level.
My old Olympus Stylus 300 3.2 MP took better quality photos than the S9100.
kenny123


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Post Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:08 am     Reply with quote

eppicphotos wrote:
I will argue though that cameras, especially PS cameras and even "advanced" PS cameras can have their limitations no matter how good you are.
For example my wife has a Fujifilm 9MP S9100. I've tried my best to get anything stock-worthy out of this
(over priced) 600.00 camera, but the artifacting is what kills the photos.
Doesn't matter if I shoot ISO 80, shoot RAW, play with the sharpness settings, use a tripod, whatever, I still get unacceptable artifacting that by the time I get rid of it degrades the photo to an unacceptable level.
My old Olympus Stylus 300 3.2 MP took better quality photos than the S9100.


This is why I will not go above Five megapixels with a compact camera-Anymore than 5 MP will only create noise-you are cramming more and more pixels onto tiny pinky fingernail sized sensors-as one heats up,it effects 8 around it, and each one of these effects another 8 and so on. and you get color noise-more megapixels is a sales gimmick.And raw is a waste of time for 30cents a pop.The shot below was taken with a Casio QV5700 5 megapixel compact camera.( by the way is your wife's fuji one with 10X optical zoom-bad news- anything over 3X optical zoom is testing the laws of optical physics, you will get Fringing at both ends of zoom range,and the sweet-spot will be F5.6 at 185-200mm-about 5-6 clicks-(I had a S5100, 4 MP but it still gave me problems-which I learned to solve eventually) Regards, Ken



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eppicphotos


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Location: BC, Canada www.eppicphotography.com

Post Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 12:33 pm     Reply with quote

Fringing isn't the issue, and noise isn't the issue either. At ISO 80 there is very little in the way of noise. Even ISO 200 isn't bad, but the artifacting is terrible.
I think the issue with this particular camera is how the camera processes the image. Anyway I'm gonna go with an older Canon A series instead as they tend to have better image quality.
susumis


Joined: 19 May 2007
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Post Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 3:58 pm     Reply with quote

Fuji Fine Pix S5700 ? ? ?


Any experience with Fuji Fine Pix S5700 ?

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