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shutterstock
Joined: 22 Oct 2004
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Location: New York, NY
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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:11 pm
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Those are in the public domain -- we will be removing all PD images in the upcoming weeks.
you can legally sell PD images -- but we are going to remove all of them to keep our library unique.
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tdnord@aol.com
Joined: 25 Jan 2005
Posts: 14
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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:18 pm
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I recognized one of the photos in the current "top 50" downloads as a slightly modified NASA image of the earth. It is a John Space Center photo from Apollo 17.
Shutterstock link: http://www.shutterstock.com/pic.mhtml?&id=113321
I found the same photo on the Nasa.gov website. Their guidelines state that most images are not copyrighted but credit should be given to NASA as the source of the photo.
NASA link: http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/ABSTRACTS/GPN-2000-001138.html
What are the Shutterstock guidelines in this matter?
Thank you,
Tom |
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rodehi
Joined: 11 Jan 2005
Posts: 1924
Location: British Columbia Canada
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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 11:11 pm
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Not sure how that slipped by.As far as i know you cannot copyright the image unless you are the photographer or have aquirred the rights from him.......Jon/Lisa? |
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rodehi
Joined: 11 Jan 2005
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Location: British Columbia Canada
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 11:43 am
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Thats interesting,what exactly qualifies a photo to be considered "public domain"?........Definition: A public domain work is a creative work that is not protected by copyright and
which may be freely used by everyone. The reasons that the work is not protected include:
(1) the term of copyright for the work has expired; (2) the author failed to satisfy statutory
formalities to perfect the copyright or (3) the work is a work of the U.S. Government. |
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inspireme
Joined: 06 Nov 2004
Posts: 56
Location: England UK
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 12:44 pm
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I can clear this one up, I did a series of earth images and contacted a certain other sotck agency who said that i cannot use NASA images, (despite their site being full of them)
So still not sure i actually contacted the blue marble people (the supply the images) heres the reply :
| Quote: | For all non-private uses, the terms of use are as follows:
1) The imagery is free of licensing fees
2) NASA requires that they be provided a credit as the owners of the
imagery
Beyond that, we request that you provide, if possible, a credit
for the Earth Observatory team for developing the imagery,
and include a URL (http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/) if feasible.
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So, you cannot sell them as stock images, becuase you cannot guarentee that NASA will have a credit from the downloader, and by uploading you say you are the sole copyright owner which you wouldnt be...
Hard work, photoshop and this website will set you on the right tracks :
http://www.solarvoyager.com/tutorials.asp |
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ChrisPoliquin
Joined: 21 Jan 2005
Posts: 169
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 8:13 pm
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Certianly you can't assure NASA will have credit and you can't be the sole copyright owner. When Shutterstock removes PD images will they be looking for just those pictures or derivative works as well?
If the copyright on a work has expired (let's use "The Last Supper", okay never existed rather) and I take a picture of the Last Supper, that seems valid for sale; after all, I own the copyright on my own photo. However, just because the Last Supper is public domain doesn't mean I can go online, grab photos, and sell them. Is this correct logic?
Copyright issues are so sticky and it seems there always interesting scenarios you can come up with. |
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rodehi
Joined: 11 Jan 2005
Posts: 1924
Location: British Columbia Canada
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 11:44 am
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I think it is essential to our integrity that all public domain photos be removed immediatly.Since my last post I have browsed some u.s. government sites,i must say i found alot of great photos,tons of them would make great stock pics.But im a "Photographer" not a "Miner",and though it was tempting i wouldnt cheapin my gallery by submitting any.I would suggest a "sticky"for members to point out any PD pics they find.I found 2 of the 50 all time downloads at the u.s.d.a. http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/graphics/photos/k5751-1.htm
http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/graphics/photos/k7252-65.htm
im sure theres more here and i hope we can clear this up soon... |
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shutterstock
Joined: 22 Oct 2004
Posts: 1881
Location: New York, NY
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:11 pm
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| rodehi wrote: | I think it is essential to our integrity that all public domain photos be removed immediatly.Since my last post I have browsed some u.s. government sites,i must say i found alot of great photos,tons of them would make great stock pics.But im a "Photographer" not a "Miner",and though it was tempting i wouldnt cheapin my gallery by submitting any.I would suggest a "sticky"for members to point out any PD pics they find.I found 2 of the 50 all time downloads at the u.s.d.a. http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/graphics/photos/k5751-1.htm
http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/graphics/photos/k7252-65.htm
im sure theres more here and i hope we can clear this up soon... |
Yes - we will be cleaning these up..... |
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andresr
Joined: 14 Dec 2004
Posts: 1671
Location: London www.andresr.com
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:25 pm
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I'm I think is time for me to sit in front of a 3d program and photoshop and make some planets from scratch if all these lot are going ....
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GeneralE
Joined: 22 Oct 2004
Posts: 375
Location: Oakland, California
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:52 pm
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And yet ... you might have some "digital art" images, which as unique and individual works may be copyrighted by their creator, even if they include some component derived from a public domain image.
For example, a synthesized moonscape, with monsters and rockets parked on the Lunar plain and a 3/4 Earth hanging in the background, ought to be OK, even if the images of the Earth and Moon were extracted from NASA images. |
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reviewer
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Joined: 01 Jan 2005
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 11:55 am
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Ok folks....we did some looking around and in the end, Jon removed about 500 public domain pictures last night.
So.....the last word is, no....public domain images are not ok.
Thanks! |
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rodehi
Joined: 11 Jan 2005
Posts: 1924
Location: British Columbia Canada
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tdnord@aol.com
Joined: 25 Jan 2005
Posts: 14
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southpaw
Joined: 28 Jan 2005
Posts: 174
Location: Central BC Canada (The REAL Gods Country)
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Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 2:18 am
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I agree with rodehi about not mining someone elses work. I am sure SS doesnt want to get the reputation it is full of PD images that can be found in several other places..
Now can we do something about the keyword relevance? I have seen several images on here that use 50-70 keywords and they are lucky if 1/10 of them are relevent to the image. I understand the reviewers dont have time to go through all the keywords and pick out the ones that arent relevent. But why not put a limit on the amount of keywords so that at a glance the reviewer can see if they are relevant or not and if they are not relevant, reject it for that reason. It would make the photographer pay more attention to picking relevant keywords if they could only use 10 and it would make it easier for the reviewer too. I for one find it hard to come up with 10, let alone 50 relevant keywords for most of my images and it doesnt seem fair that someone else that is spamming keywords may have their images come up in a search when the image isnt even close to what the buyer is wanting. Then the buyer has to wade through a whack of irrelevant photos to get to the ones that actually meet thier search.... |
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akiwi
Joined: 26 Oct 2004
Posts: 86
Location: Olching, Germany (Near Munich)
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