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thesupe87


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:49 am     Reply with quote

There are always going to be dishonest people in this world, and unfortunately they can buy an image for a dollar and make hundreds, maybe thousands on it selling it illegally in different ways and forms. I am sure people are using my images as well, but all we can do is continue to keep our eyes open and look out for each other.
lffile


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:56 am     Reply with quote

thesupe87 wrote:
There are always going to be dishonest people in this world, and unfortunately they can buy an image for a dollar and make hundreds, maybe thousands on it selling it illegally in different ways and forms. I am sure people are using my images as well, but all we can do is continue to keep our eyes open and look out for each other.


I don't believe anyone was accused of illegal use in this instance and that is one of the virtues of the low price. It is hardly worth the risk of possible problems when it only costs a few dollars to be able to use images legally.

fred
pajson


Joined: 12 Aug 2005
Posts: 475
Location: Sweden, EU
Post Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:28 am     Reply with quote

editorial wrote:
frozenpeas wrote:
I blame the internet.


Well you might as well blame UFO's too while you're at it.


hahahahaha! :)))
kameleonmedia


Joined: 30 May 2005
Posts: 101
Post Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:03 pm     Reply with quote

pajson wrote:
editorial wrote:
frozenpeas wrote:
I blame the internet.


Well you might as well blame UFO's too while you're at it.


hahahahaha! :)))


Blame canada!
rinder99


Joined: 12 Jul 2005
Posts: 18720
Location: Books and Class Info, www.rindersmithphotography.com or, www.rinderart.com
Post Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:06 pm     Reply with quote

lffile wrote:
thesupe87 wrote:
There are always going to be dishonest people in this world, and unfortunately they can buy an image for a dollar and make hundreds, maybe thousands on it selling it illegally in different ways and forms. I am sure people are using my images as well, but all we can do is continue to keep our eyes open and look out for each other.


I don't believe anyone was accused of illegal use in this instance and that is one of the virtues of the low price. It is hardly worth the risk of possible problems when it only costs a few dollars to be able to use images legally.

fred

fred, your right. back in the old Composer days for me. I had a company [MCA] that owed me $30,000. My lawyer asked for $50,000 to sue them and it would take about 6 years. No thanks. But yes With the help of the community here keeping an eye out for everyone, We should at least persue it as best we as Individuals can.Thats basically The only thing we can do.To be Honest , This issue came to my attention from the owner of another Site.
kropewnicki


Joined: 25 Jan 2008
Posts: 493
Location: Somerville, Massachusetts
Post Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:07 pm     Reply with quote

rinder99 wrote:

We as artist's give away enough already without some Guy with $200.00 Making Money on our work.It's time we stand Up!!! ve CC'ed this to many organizations I belong to.


There is no guarantee that the guy will make ANY money from these images.

That about what he has to do,
set up a site,
set up a printer,
expenses
shipping
quality
headache.

I'll take the $1.60 and hope he is successful, it would be nice if I could get an artist credit on the image.
rinder99


Joined: 12 Jul 2005
Posts: 18720
Location: Books and Class Info, www.rindersmithphotography.com or, www.rinderart.com
Post Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:09 pm     Reply with quote

natse wrote:
I agree with Laurin's original post that it seems kinda wrong that someone can purchase a fabulous image for next to nothing and start making huge profits on it.And profit from someone else's talent and hard work, while the original artist gets a couple of bucks at best. I think there ought to be a fairer deal for artists, althought that's probably just my wishful thinking..


We can dream....They can't take that away. LOL
kameleonmedia


Joined: 30 May 2005
Posts: 101
Post Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:21 pm     Reply with quote

kropewnicki wrote:
rinder99 wrote:

We as artist's give away enough already without some Guy with $200.00 Making Money on our work.It's time we stand Up!!! ve CC'ed this to many organizations I belong to.


There is no guarantee that the guy will make ANY money from these images.

That about what he has to do,
set up a site,
set up a printer,
expenses
shipping
quality
headache.

I'll take the $1.60 and hope he is successful, it would be nice if I could get an artist credit on the image.


You are right, it's a total headache and you forget Marketing in that... not a lot of them are successful, i'm into the business so i know what i'm talking about ;) www.icreategifts.com
Captured Nuance


Joined: 24 Feb 2005
Posts: 1598
Location: So Cal
Post Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:36 pm     Reply with quote

I think I am going to start making the shift to RM. I am rapidly tiring of MS


This is going to take some thinking but I think its the thing to do

Gordo
natse


Joined: 06 Jul 2005
Posts: 138
Location: www.freewebs.com/natse
Post Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:14 am     Reply with quote

Captured Nuance wrote:
I think I am going to start making the shift to RM. I am rapidly tiring of MS


This is going to take some thinking but I think its the thing to do

Gordo


Exactly my thoughts!
mackin43
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Joined: 20 Mar 2008
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Post Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:24 pm     Reply with quote

To provide a better understanding of how our Enhanced Licenses work for subscribers, check out this article:

http://www.shutterstock.com/newsletter/33/article1.html

...or see this chart:

http://www.shutterstock.com/license_comparison.mhtml

...that outlines the differences between the Standard and Enhanced Licenses. Neither are a substitute for reading the actual TOS, but should provide you with a general idea of how they work.

Also, a reminder: If you have reason to believe that an image of yours that was sold through Shutterstock is being used by its end user in an illegal way, contact us immediately at Support@Shutterstock.com – the forums are not the place to alert us to this sort of issue and only serves to spread paranoia in other members. By the same token, if you are unhappy with the terms of an Enhanced License, you can either opt out of it or, again, contact us directly with your concerns. I understand most of you are simply venting but we do take such matters seriously.

Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.

Thanks,

John
rinder99


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Post Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:13 pm     Reply with quote

mackin43 wrote:
To provide a better understanding of how our Enhanced Licenses work for subscribers, check out this article:

http://www.shutterstock.com/newsletter/33/article1.html

...or see this chart:

http://www.shutterstock.com/license_comparison.mhtml

...that outlines the differences between the Standard and Enhanced Licenses. Neither are a substitute for reading the actual TOS, but should provide you with a general idea of how they work.

Also, a reminder: If you have reason to believe that an image of yours that was sold through Shutterstock is being used by its end user in an illegal way, contact us immediately at Support@Shutterstock.com – the forums are not the place to alert us to this sort of issue and only serves to spread paranoia in other members. By the same token, if you are unhappy with the terms of an Enhanced License, you can either opt out of it or, again, contact us directly with your concerns. I understand most of you are simply venting but we do take such matters seriously.

Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.

Thanks,

John


thanks for the support John.And I know SS does take these things seriously.Wish the others Did.What would you consider an accurate percentage of Images Lifted that are spotted and dealt with? I think it's pretty Darned Impossible unless it's blatent. I also wonder how many t-shirt shops on Islands selling our images printed on them to tourist's, Made in China That doesn't care about this issue in the slightest.Those profits far outweigh what any small website can sell prints for.

It's a big issue , I don't think anyones getting paranoid and in all honesty,This is what it is and we have to accept it in this age.It's part of doing business on the internet.Also, I dont believe in these cases That them buying an EL means a thing. all they need is a large size and or a backup CD.I post these things John because People ask Me the questions.

so I put it out there for discussion. Hasen't been the first time we have discussed this and probably wont be the last. But. It is what it is. I constantly get letters from folks asking what should they do? I tell them to Write a nice letter first asking where they got the image and then ask to see the agreement. from there, It either goes 2 ways.

I actually agreed on a nice settlement last year By handling it myself.Thanks for chiming in.
rinder99


Joined: 12 Jul 2005
Posts: 18720
Location: Books and Class Info, www.rindersmithphotography.com or, www.rinderart.com
Post Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:16 pm     Reply with quote

natse wrote:
Captured Nuance wrote:
I think I am going to start making the shift to RM. I am rapidly tiring of MS


This is going to take some thinking but I think its the thing to do

Gordo


Exactly my thoughts!


WOW Nastasha, your work is amazing!!!!!!!!!
rinder99


Joined: 12 Jul 2005
Posts: 18720
Location: Books and Class Info, www.rindersmithphotography.com or, www.rinderart.com
Post Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:35 pm     Reply with quote

Also, Just for discussion. it would be grand If we could optout or in on a per image basis.Is that possible? I've done this at all the others sites I submit to on the images I want to protect But, Like I say, It never seemed to matter.Anyone that knows what there doing can get a pretty decent print from 3/4 MP

Last edited by rinder99 on Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:37 pm; edited 1 time in total
hospitalera


Joined: 20 Dec 2005
Posts: 2746
Location: Prague (Czech Republic) http://hospitalera.com
Post Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:37 pm     Reply with quote

rinder99 wrote:
Also, Just for discussion. it would be grand If we could optout or in on a per image basis.Is that possible?


Nops, only for our whole portfolio we have this choice ;-) SY
 
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