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pjmorley
Joined: 15 Apr 2005
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 9:38 pm
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| naturespixel wrote: | | pjmorley wrote: | It is my understanding that ITIN is only applicable for non US residents that work IN the US but are not able to get a Social Security number but who are required to file a U.S. tax return. Not for those that have income FROM the US.
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what about this on teh form...
does this not apply to us??
Reason you are submitting .........
Nonresident alien required to obtain ITIN to claim tax treaty benefit
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cidepix
Joined: 29 Jul 2007
Posts: 196
Location: London / UK
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 9:41 pm
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It is a shame. I really like SS and the reason I do is because I know they are capable of sorting this out some other way than us getting ITIN.
I said it before, I will say it again. I am ready to provide UK tax payer reference number and all the documents needed.
But I really don't see why I need to get ITIN?! |
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naturespixel
Joined: 25 Nov 2006
Posts: 523
Location: Aussie in Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 9:42 pm
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| pjmorley wrote: | | naturespixel wrote: | | pjmorley wrote: | It is my understanding that ITIN is only applicable for non US residents that work IN the US but are not able to get a Social Security number but who are required to file a U.S. tax return. Not for those that have income FROM the US.
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what about this on teh form...
does this not apply to us??
Reason you are submitting .........
Nonresident alien required to obtain ITIN to claim tax treaty benefit
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Which form is this on? |
in the FORM W-7.. the ITIN form...
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/fw7.pdf
Last edited by naturespixel on Wed May 27, 2009 9:44 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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pengpeng
Joined: 13 Jun 2008
Posts: 22
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 9:43 pm
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Obama is crazy!I living China,I can't share welfare of USA,why I must pay tax for USA gov.?
The ITIN programme is so difficult, I need mail form to USA,it spend a lot of time and money!Shutterstock should help us to do it,and our earn will reduce,shutterstock should compensate it for tax. |
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narcisa
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Posts: 1822
Location: Oradea, Romania
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 9:45 pm
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| flaps wrote: | | swhite wrote: | | hilaryaq wrote: | | davidcrehner wrote: | | I have a MAJOR problem registering in ANY way with the IRS of the USA. I also don't have a passport. If I'm going to be losing 30% of my SS earnings to the bloody IRS if I don't "register" with them, then I hate to say it but... I will be leaving. :-( Thank god FL has surpassed SS as my #1 earner this year... |
Me too. |
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we are in 4! So do I... imagine I have to give up 30% because my country doesn't have any treaty ;( |
+1 - count me please - for the small amount of money I receive this paperwork is too much to take into consideration. Too bad .... |
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mackin43
Site Admin
Joined: 20 Mar 2008
Posts: 427
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 9:46 pm
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Hi all,
We are keeping track of your questions and concerns. As always, we appreciate your input.
Please keep the questions coming and rest assured we're gathering the relevant information to provide you with answers.
Thanks,
jm |
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leszek
Joined: 08 Dec 2007
Posts: 63
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 9:47 pm
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Well, in Australia I have to pay 44.5% on my Shutterstock income. Now SS is going to subtract another 30% for IRS. Alternatively I can provide notarized copy of my passport (about $150) and have only 5% subtracted. No matter how I count, my payment per photo is about 15c. Time to end this adventure. |
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davidunderiese
Joined: 18 Jun 2007
Posts: 119
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 9:48 pm
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| davidcrehner wrote: | Let me be clear. I don't "blame" Shutterstock... I just refuse to "register" in any way with the IRS. I will not provide them anything. Not even the time of day. I'm a Canadian citizen, and I pay Canadian taxes on all my earnings. If I have to take a further 30% cut on my earnings here because I refuse to become part of "the system" in the US, then it's not worth it to me. I will continue with my Canadian sites and my European sites, and other US sites until such time as they require me to have any dealing whatsoever with the IRS. At which point I will leave them, too.
If the truth ends up being that there is some way to satisfy legalities without having to provide any of my personal information to any bureau of any US government agency, then I am of course content to continue on...!
Not that I am any sort of great mass contributor... but my goodness, Sandralise certainly is! And I'm sure there are others. |
I couldn't agree more....there are other places to be ;)...it's just not worth it! |
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pjmorley
Joined: 15 Apr 2005
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 9:49 pm
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And here is where I see the confusion... On the announcement it says...
However, in order to complete the form you must have a U.S. Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN).
In actual fact section 6 of the w8 form states...
U.S. taxpayer identification number, if required (see instructions)
if required
And it is only required if you are required to file a US tax return. If you are not required to file a US tax return then you do not need an EIN or ITIN or SSN to complete the form. |
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frenchtoast
Joined: 12 Jul 2006
Posts: 1417
Location: GTA Canada
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 9:50 pm
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| hilaryaq wrote: |
YES! You pay tax on the t-shirt you buy. You are the consumer. The shopkeeper takes tax from the consumer. The shopkeeper does not go back to the machinest that made the t-shirt in China, and ask her/him to register for tax in America, even if he paid her into her paypal account, she is not liable to pay tax in America. The shopkeeper is, and the customer is (if there is tax on that product), never the supplier. |
I don't want to get into the whole tax thing, considering I do live with a corporate accountant, although my analogy of the T-shirt was off, it was just meant to show that no matter what we buy or sell there are taxes on it when dealing in US.
Since most of us here consider ourselves contributors to SS not SS employees why would they therefore have to pay taxes on our product? They are just supplying the buyer. SS are not our bosses, we are self employed and therefore we have to pay the price for selling our own product. (Just like the shopkeeper would have to pay). I hate it, but that is the reality of dealing with businesses in the US and you can bet your bottom dollar that the other sites will soon follow suit. |
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yuliang11
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Posts: 74
Location: malaysia
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 9:51 pm
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hi admin,
I live in malaysia/citizen. My country is not in any form of tax treaty with US as in the list. If i apply for ITIN & W-8BEN form. I still need to pay 30% withelding taxes, Am i right? |
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algol
Joined: 03 Oct 2007
Posts: 624
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 9:53 pm
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| pjmorley wrote: | And here is where I see the confusion... On the announcement it says...
However, in order to complete the form you must have a U.S. Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN).
In actual fact section 6 of the w8 form states...
U.S. taxpayer identification number, if required (see instructions)
if required
And it is only required if you are required to file a US tax return. If you are not required to file a US tax return then you do not need an EIN or ITIN or SSN to complete the form. |
Which is how it appears to work with everything else, eg. Google Adsense etc. you tick the box which says you don't pay US taxes and that's that. |
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eppicphotos
Joined: 10 Dec 2006
Posts: 444
Location: BC, Canada www.eppicphotography.com
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 9:54 pm
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A quote from the Canadian tax agreement with the US:
| Quote: | Artistic royalties, other than motion picture royalties, continue to be exempt at source. All other
royalties are subject to a maximum source country tax rate of 10 percent, as compared to 15 percent
under the existing convention. |
Question for SS:
Wouldn't we fall under "artistic royalties" and thus be exempt?
If we aren't, then I have to ask myself whether filling out the US tax forms is really worth the 40 or 50.00/ month I currently get in royalties from SS.
I would guess that alot of other people are asking themselves the same question.[/quote] |
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hilaryaq
Joined: 07 Jun 2006
Posts: 1267
Location: www.photosfordesigns.com
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 9:55 pm
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| frenchtoast wrote: | | hilaryaq wrote: |
YES! You pay tax on the t-shirt you buy. You are the consumer. The shopkeeper takes tax from the consumer. The shopkeeper does not go back to the machinest that made the t-shirt in China, and ask her/him to register for tax in America, even if he paid her into her paypal account, she is not liable to pay tax in America. The shopkeeper is, and the customer is (if there is tax on that product), never the supplier. |
I don't want to get into the whole tax thing, considering I do live with a corporate accountant, although my analogy of the T-shirt was off, it was just meant to show that no matter what we buy or sell there are taxes on it when dealing in US.
Since most of us here consider ourselves contributors to SS not SS employees why would they therefore have to pay taxes on our product? They are just supplying the buyer. SS are not our bosses, we are self employed and therefore we have to pay the price for selling our own product. (Just like the shopkeeper would have to pay). I hate it, but that is the reality of dealing with businesses in the US and you can bet your bottom dollar that the other sites will soon follow suit. |
Yes, we are self-employed, and we pay taxes on income received from ss in our own country, Ireland, the same as ss pays tax on income received in their country, America. They won't follow suit if people speak up, they can open a european office, and carry the cost in the meantime, they have more money than we do!! |
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algol
Joined: 03 Oct 2007
Posts: 624
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 9:56 pm
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| frenchtoast wrote: |
Since most of us here consider ourselves contributors to SS not SS employees why would they therefore have to pay taxes on our product? They are just supplying the buyer. SS are not our bosses, we are self employed and therefore we have to pay the price for selling our own product. (Just like the shopkeeper would have to pay). I hate it, but that is the reality of dealing with businesses in the US and you can bet your bottom dollar that the other sites will soon follow suit. |
SS should have to pay taxes on our product because that is where their income is coming from! They are selling to the buyer and making a profit. We already pay the price for selling our own product, only we pay this to our own governments, not to the US. |
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