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milinz
Joined: 10 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 4:53 am
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| PaulCowan wrote: | That is for foreigners who are working in the US. There is a bit later on about a $5,000 allowance but you have to certify you are not earning any other money in the US - and it probably isn't the section applying to royalties, only to wages.
| stellanova wrote: | By the law SS is only legal to take of 30% from submitters that have at last 3650$ income per year.
http://www.irs.gov/publications/p519/ch08.html#d0e9553
| Quote: | Alternate Withholding Procedure
Your withholding agent may choose to use an alternate procedure by asking you to fill out Form W-4 and the Personal Allowances Worksheet (attached to Form W-4). Use the following instructions instead of the Form W-4 instructions to complete the worksheet.
Line A. Enter the total of the following amounts on line A.
Personal exemption. Include the prorated part of your allowable personal exemption. Figure the amount by multiplying the number of days you expect to be in the United States in 2009 by the daily exemption amount ($10.00). |
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Unfortunately we don't have right to exemption due to our exemption and our living doesn't make money for US government so they don't need to allow us $10 a day for food ;-)
BTW, many people here earn less than $10 a day but still they will be taxed - which is discrimination again. |
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PaulCowan
Joined: 24 Feb 2005
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Location: Evolving
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 4:54 am
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| slobelix wrote: | | g2studio wrote: | well I won't complain if other members are going to remove their portfolio here... I will sell more!!!
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Not quite true. The quantity of good images here helps sell yours too because it attracts byers. If it wasnt so you would sell much more just on your own private web site and you wouldnt need SS, right? If too many people leave it would not be good for SS or the rest of the submitters.So lets try to find solutions for this business to survive for as many of us as possible. |
This is true for the Americans who are supplying, but G2 might benefit enormously if all Italians pull out, making him the monopoly supplier of Italian imagery.
However, while more people have actually cancelled their accounts than I have ever seen in any micro row before, I really do not think there is going to be a mass exodus (I remember scores of people threatening to leave another site - and only a handful did in the end. The splitting into US and non-US sales really softens the blow. |
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milinz
Joined: 10 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 4:57 am
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Oh... I come up with ammendment to my word 'discrimination'...
It is something else. It is political protectionism!
So people, all this thing is about one only meaning:
'AMERICANS BUY AMERICAN'
;-)
Democrats like that!
I think that Thomas Jefferson now is spining in his grave at least at 50000 spins (RPS) in a second!
And to conclude as citing Godfather 'that was for nothing' |
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slobelix
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:04 am
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| PaulCowan wrote: | | slobelix wrote: | | g2studio wrote: | well I won't complain if other members are going to remove their portfolio here... I will sell more!!!
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Not quite true. The quantity of good images here helps sell yours too because it attracts byers. If it wasnt so you would sell much more just on your own private web site and you wouldnt need SS, right? If too many people leave it would not be good for SS or the rest of the submitters.So lets try to find solutions for this business to survive for as many of us as possible. |
This is true for the Americans who are supplying, but G2 might benefit enormously if all Italians pull out, making him the monopoly supplier of Italian imagery.
However, while more people have actually cancelled their accounts than I have ever seen in any micro row before, I really do not think there is going to be a mass exodus (I remember scores of people threatening to leave another site - and only a handful did in the end. The splitting into US and non-US sales really softens the blow. |
Yep G2 can be the only submitter with genuine Italian pizza in portfolio :-)Splitting does make things easier, i agree. |
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milinz
Joined: 10 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:05 am
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| slobelix wrote: | | PaulCowan wrote: | | slobelix wrote: | | g2studio wrote: | well I won't complain if other members are going to remove their portfolio here... I will sell more!!!
AHAHAHAHA |
Not quite true. The quantity of good images here helps sell yours too because it attracts byers. If it wasnt so you would sell much more just on your own private web site and you wouldnt need SS, right? If too many people leave it would not be good for SS or the rest of the submitters.So lets try to find solutions for this business to survive for as many of us as possible. |
This is true for the Americans who are supplying, but G2 might benefit enormously if all Italians pull out, making him the monopoly supplier of Italian imagery.
However, while more people have actually cancelled their accounts than I have ever seen in any micro row before, I really do not think there is going to be a mass exodus (I remember scores of people threatening to leave another site - and only a handful did in the end. The splitting into US and non-US sales really softens the blow. |
Yep G2 can be the only submitter with genuine Italian pizza in portfolio :-)Splitting does make things easier, i agree. |
Good one!
It comes to basic principles of 'FREE MARKET' in American way ;-)
LOL! |
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colvil
Joined: 04 Aug 2005
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:10 am
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| sapsiwai wrote: | The other agencies will soon follow to abide to law.
| andreiiancu wrote: | non-us, citizens... take your photos down off shutterstock. there are other agencies too, especially ones that deal better with problems like these (irs, taxes, etc.).
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Not all Major agencies are based in the USA ;) |
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ejla
Joined: 22 Aug 2006
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:11 am
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Thank you, slobelix!
| slobelix wrote: | | g2studio wrote: | well I won't complain if other members are going to remove their portfolio here... I will sell more!!!
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Not quite true. The quantity of good images here helps sell yours too because it attracts byers. If it wasnt so you would sell much more just on your own private web site and you wouldnt need SS, right? If too many people leave it would not be good for SS or the rest of the submitters.So lets try to find solutions for this business to survive for as many of us as possible. |
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swhite
Joined: 01 May 2007
Posts: 47
Location: Australia
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:14 am
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| g2studio wrote: | well I won't complain if other members are going to remove their portfolio here... I will sell more!!!
AHAHAHAHA |
DOINK! |
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karapas
Joined: 12 Feb 2008
Posts: 129
Location: Thessaloniki, Greece
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:22 am
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I think we are watching in those historical days, the sinkage of SS.. |
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lika
Joined: 10 Jan 2009
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:24 am
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I don't get any mail about taxes. Why? And what must i do? |
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colvil
Joined: 04 Aug 2005
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:27 am
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| swhite wrote: | | g2studio wrote: | well I won't complain if other members are going to remove their portfolio here... I will sell more!!!
AHAHAHAHA |
DOINK! |
Yes and watch your income plummet as another certain major player entering the subscription Model round about now starts to shine.... so SS needs to stay strong for everyones sake ;
So not so clever now eh ;) |
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gudellaphoto
Joined: 11 Sep 2006
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:32 am
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I too believe that making an option to opt out from sales to US buyers would prevent many submiters from taking down their portfolios. For a lot of people it's against morals to pay anything to the US. For example just think about counties in war with the USA in history or suffering some kind of millitary intervention from them. But you don't have to go that far.. |
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winmaster
Joined: 23 Jul 2008
Posts: 379
Location: Czech Republic
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 6:14 am
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Opt in/ opt out. It would be useful if you have big percentage of sales in USA. It would be handy if there were two columns in STATS, USA and the REST, so everyone can calculate if it is worth to. |
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pjmorley
Joined: 15 Apr 2005
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 6:15 am
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| gudellaphoto wrote: | | I too believe that making an option to opt out from sales to US buyers would prevent many submiters from taking down their portfolios. For a lot of people it's against morals to pay anything to the US. For example just think about counties in war with the USA in history or suffering some kind of millitary intervention from them. But you don't have to go that far.. |
Let's be honest. The primary motive for disagreement here is not ideology, principles, morality or reluctance to pay anything to the US. If it was then they wouldn't be doing business with a US company in the first place because even before this news, SS made a profit and paid taxes on their profit which goes to the US government.
The second you do business with any foreign country, you directly or indirectly support their economy and that applied before this tax issue arose. Where were these ideals and principles then?
The real reason for the backlash now is the sudden thought of losing 30% from their personal income.
This situation shouldn't be used as an excuse to bash SS or insult the American people. |
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 6:31 am
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I just recieved a very interesting email from SS support (specifically Michael Boring). As I've been banned on the forums I can't post questions here (didn't realise I can as a guest) I sent them a question, now totally unrelated to what I asked there was an interesting quote near the end:
"Shutterstock does not benifit at all from the tax. Furthermore, we have helped contributors tremendously by bearning the burden or past taxes"
Now it seems to me like this is a direct contradiction. If they have indeed paid previous taxes for us and are now laying this tax off on to us then that would suggest that this whole thing is nothing more than at attempt to rake in more money by SS...
So which is it shutterstock? Have you indeed paid these taxes for us in the past and is this nohting more than a profit increasing ploy or did I just get told a bit of a porky pie by an overzealous support guy that is trying to make your company out to be nicer than it is? |
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