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nanjmoore


Joined: 23 May 2008
Posts: 326
Location: Georgia

Post Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:21 am     Reply with quote

I may (or may not) decide to go exclusive somewhere else. If I do, what are the rules at SS for closing your account? The legal mumbo-jumbo is difficult to understand.

Do I need to wait a certain time after my last upload, or is it after the last download?

What is the amount of time that I have to wait?
slobelix


Joined: 07 Apr 2005
Posts: 242

Post Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:22 am     Reply with quote

Thank You very much for the answers :-)
rixie


Joined: 29 Dec 2007
Posts: 3527
Location: Hampshire, UK

Post Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:51 am     Reply with quote

thecarlinco wrote:
rixie wrote:
Someone posted this information in another thread:

'See following from IRS US I got this from their website.

"What documents are acceptable as proof of identity and foreign status?

IRS has streamlined the number of documents the agency will accept as proof of identity to obtain an ITIN. There are now 13 acceptable documents.

An original, or a certified or notarized copy, of an UNEXPIRED passport is the only document that is accepted for both identity and foreign status. If you do not have a passport, you must provide a combination of current documents that contain expiration dates - we accept documents issued within 12 months of the application if no expiration date is normally available. The documents must also show your name and photograph, and support your claim of foreign status.
IRS will accept certified or notarized copies of a combination (two or more) of the following documents, in lieu of a passport:

National identification card (must show photo, name, current address, date of birth, and expiration date)
U.S. driver's license
Civil birth certificate (required for dependents under 18 years old)
Foreign driver's license
U.S. state identification card
Foreign voter's registration card
U.S. military identification card
Foreign military identification card
Visa
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) photo identification
Medical records (dependents - under 14 years old only)
School records (dependents and/or students - under 18 years old - only)'

My question:

what is the difference between a 'Certified' copy and a 'Notarized' copy?

Everyone has been talking of high costs involved in getting a notarized copy - perhaps a certified copy is a cheaper, easier option?

Thanks


Hey Rixie - I'm not sure about your country, but here in the US, a certified document is a document that has a seal that is from the place it was issued - such as, a seal imprinted on your birth certificate would be certified since the hospital (or place you where born) imprinted the seal on it.

A notary is someone who looks at the document and verifies that it is real, then stamps (or whatever the procedure is in your country) the document.

So in summary (this is for the US, so you will need to double check with the officials in your country, but I would guess this is what the IRS is looking for):
Certified is done by the agency that gives you the document

Notary is someone who verifys the document and stamps it.


Thanks thecarlinko for this info. If what you say applies here then a certified copy is not an option, unfortunately.

As one of the required documents is a photo ID, and generally in the UK that is a passport or driving licence, you cannot get a new 'certified' copy of one of these issued without either returning the original or declaring it lost. Whichever way, you only end up with one copy.

It appears the option is to send an original or pay a notary.

I cannot send my passport as I use it regularly, but I could get a certified copy of my Birth Certificate, (for £6.50), and send it with my original driving licence. If these documents are then lost, the cost to replace a lost driving licence is only £20.00.

I am think that I can do this for £26.50 plus postage costs?
mackin43
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Joined: 20 Mar 2008
Posts: 427

Post Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 12:16 pm     Reply with quote

Taxes are not deducted from earnings, they are deducted only from payments. In other words, if a submitter has not been paid by Shutterstock, he or she will not have incurred any tax liability to the IRS. We will not withhold from daily earnings, only from monthly payouts.


lilcrazyfuzzy wrote:
mackin43 wrote:
This is also a good option many are considering.

-jm

mschmeling wrote:
eppicphotos wrote:

With regards to question #1, you can temporarily opt out of selling your images on SS quite easily. Just go into your account details where you will see the option to opt in or out of the various SS sales venues.
To temporarily disable your images from being sold on SS, just click onto the "opt out" button for SS. Your images all remain in your port, but now they're no longer available for sale.
Of course you can choose to opt back in at any time.


A better solution would be to increase your monthly payout limit to some large amount until you have all your paperwork completed, and then reset the payout limit.


So, does this mean yes to my question in this thread:
http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=62595

I'll post it again here:


Quote:
In case of withholding..would the 30% be withheld on the amount of every month or only on payout ?

If the procedure of getting the IRS off my back is too long, would it be an option to increase the minimum payout to a certain amount not likely to be attained for a few months and if by then the Number has been sent, no earnings will be withheld?


Quote:
this is rather a yes-or-no question, shouldn't be a biggie for the legal guys, are the taxes collected upon payment only or upon purchase of the image..?
mackin43
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Joined: 20 Mar 2008
Posts: 427

Post Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 12:18 pm     Reply with quote

1. No
2. We are in the process of implementing a feature on the submit site, after you've logged in, where you can let us know.
3. That's what we're thinking. Perhaps the IRS will allow us to simply use the original email - we hope to know the answer soon.

-jm

[quote="linncurrie"]Thank you for the latest information. Three questions :

1. Will you be withholding for June sales?

2. WHERE do we send confirmation that we are in the process of obtaining the required documents? Do you want proof, ie. scans of what we have obtained so far? Please let us have an email address where we can send this information to.

3. Yes, electronic letter as required by your IRS will be preferred. It will take your letter two weeks to reach South Africa! I have also not received the original email!

TIA
Linn




mackin43 wrote:

We will not be withholding at all for June payouts.

If you've communicated to us that you are in the process of acquiring an ITIN (or other relevant IRS paperwork), we will not withhold - please note this only applies to treaty country submitters. (This includes, as you mention below, if anyone gets rejected because of this technicality of what constitutes a "signed letter" from us.)

Regarding the email we sent you, we're in talks with the IRS to determine whether or not the email we sent you can be used (we received conflicting answers). If the answer is NO, we will find a way to distribute to you electronically, as we recognize some nations have slower or problematic postal systems.

-jm

/quote]
linncurrie


Joined: 13 Jan 2008
Posts: 106
Location: South Africa

Post Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:19 pm     Reply with quote

mackin43 wrote:

3. That's what we're thinking. Perhaps the IRS will allow us to simply use the original email - we hope to know the answer soon.
-jm


Thank you for the quick response, much appreciated. If the IRS approves the original letter, then you would need to send it out again because a LOT of us never received it, and we have been receiving payouts before.
Linn
00nl


Joined: 27 Jan 2007
Posts: 21
Location: Paris

Post Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 10:25 am     Reply with quote

[quote="mackin43"]

2. We are in the process of implementing a feature on the submit site, after you've logged in, where you can let us know.

-jm

linncurrie wrote:
Thank you for the latest information. Three questions :

2. WHERE do we send confirmation that we are in the process of obtaining the required documents? Do you want proof, ie. scans of what we have obtained so far? Please let us have an email address where we can send this information to.

TIA
Linn

mackin43 wrote:

We will not be withholding at all for June payouts.

If you've communicated to us that you are in the process of acquiring an ITIN (or other relevant IRS paperwork), we will not withhold - please note this only applies to treaty country submitters. (This includes, as you mention below, if anyone gets rejected because of this technicality of what constitutes a "signed letter" from us.)

-jm

/quote]


Hi Shutter

Will you send us an email to say when this feature is on line (and where) ?

Thanks
NL
imagist
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Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Posts: 246

Post Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 4:23 pm     Reply with quote

Yes we will send out an email announcement with next steps.

thx
pling


Joined: 07 Jan 2005
Posts: 149
Location: Malaysia

Post Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:54 pm     Reply with quote

Do we get to know which image downloaded by US buyer?

[quote="mackin43"]Taxes are not deducted from earnings, they are deducted only from payments. In other words, if a submitter has not been paid by Shutterstock, he or she will not have incurred any tax liability to the IRS. We will not withhold from daily earnings, only from monthly payouts.
PaulCowan


Joined: 24 Feb 2005
Posts: 4183
Location: Evolving

Post Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 2:50 am     Reply with quote

It would be very nice if we could see on our monthly chart how much we have made from US sales and how much from outside.

If there is no extra column for US sales, we will have to wait to the end of the month to find out how much we have made. The information isn't secret because the moment we get paid we know how much has been deducted and therefore what % of sales were in the US.

I like to know on a daily basis how much I am actually making, and I will feel a lot better knowing, for example, whether monday's EL sale was for $28 or for $19.60.


[quote="pling"]Do we get to know which image downloaded by US buyer?

mackin43 wrote:
Taxes are not deducted from earnings, they are deducted only from payments. In other words, if a submitter has not been paid by Shutterstock, he or she will not have incurred any tax liability to the IRS. We will not withhold from daily earnings, only from monthly payouts.
pling


Joined: 07 Jan 2005
Posts: 149
Location: Malaysia

Post Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 5:09 am     Reply with quote

ss do u have answer for this?

[quote="PaulCowan"]It would be very nice if we could see on our monthly chart how much we have made from US sales and how much from outside.

If there is no extra column for US sales, we will have to wait to the end of the month to find out how much we have made. The information isn't secret because the moment we get paid we know how much has been deducted and therefore what % of sales were in the US.

I like to know on a daily basis how much I am actually making, and I will feel a lot better knowing, for example, whether monday's EL sale was for $28 or for $19.60.


pling wrote:
Do we get to know which image downloaded by US buyer?

mackin43 wrote:
Taxes are not deducted from earnings, they are deducted only from payments. In other words, if a submitter has not been paid by Shutterstock, he or she will not have incurred any tax liability to the IRS. We will not withhold from daily earnings, only from monthly payouts.
mackin43
Site Admin


Joined: 20 Mar 2008
Posts: 427

Post Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 8:30 am     Reply with quote

Hi pling,

No, there will not be a separate a separate column indicating where downloads came from.

Thanks,

-jm

[quote="pling"]ss do u have answer for this?

PaulCowan wrote:
It would be very nice if we could see on our monthly chart how much we have made from US sales and how much from outside.

If there is no extra column for US sales, we will have to wait to the end of the month to find out how much we have made. The information isn't secret because the moment we get paid we know how much has been deducted and therefore what % of sales were in the US.

I like to know on a daily basis how much I am actually making, and I will feel a lot better knowing, for example, whether monday's EL sale was for $28 or for $19.60.


pling wrote:
Do we get to know which image downloaded by US buyer?

mackin43 wrote:
Taxes are not deducted from earnings, they are deducted only from payments. In other words, if a submitter has not been paid by Shutterstock, he or she will not have incurred any tax liability to the IRS. We will not withhold from daily earnings, only from monthly payouts.
miklav2


Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Posts: 210
Location: Belgium

Post Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:56 am     Reply with quote

One of the most difficult topics in our discussions is ITIN number that is needed for item 6 of Form W-8BEN.

Interesting information just came to my attention. I was filling Form W-8BEN online for another stock agency, and they state that I do not need any ITIN/EIN or other number. This is what they say:

As long as you are the Rights Holder and from a treaty country – you do NOT need a US Taxpayer Identification Number to claim treaty benefits. Sweet!

If you are from a treaty country and you are NOT the Rights Holder, you will need a US Taxpayer Identification Number (US TIN) to receive treaty benefits.

Even if you are from a non-treaty country, as long as you are the Rights Holder you also do not need a US Taxpayer Identification Number.


Thus if ITIN number isn't required that would mean a great relief for most foreign contributors of Shutterstock.


Last edited by miklav2 on Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:23 am; edited 1 time in total
colvil


Joined: 04 Aug 2005
Posts: 460

Post Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:57 am     Reply with quote

I agree with Paul...

at least we should have some reference to how much we can expect at the end of the month and what percentage is being purchased by USA customers, surely it would be more considerate to contributers to supply this info with an extra Column . Would that be so hard to implement? considering the loss we will be taking would have thought it would the thing to do!

Pretty please reconsider :)

Sue
slobelix


Joined: 07 Apr 2005
Posts: 242

Post Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:25 am     Reply with quote

No news regarding WHAT is being taxed? Is referral column subject to tax? Its a little unprofessional keeping us in the dark. First You should inform us what is the subject to tax and them ask of us for numbers, papers and documents and not the other way around.
 
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