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igabrielle


Joined: 05 Aug 2006
Posts: 91
Location: Romania

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 1:19 pm     Reply with quote

Hi everyone,

I think in order to make it easier for SS to help us with the ITIN and all this IRS thing, we should try and concentrate a bit our questions. On this post we should all post our questions regarding Romania and applications for Romanians.

So here we go:

I have asked my lawyer friend about where to get the legalized copies of the documents, and she said this should be done at the "prefectura". I am assuming the "prefectura" where we have our address in the national ID card (CI). I will know more about it tomorrow and see which costs apply. However she did say after this stamp ("apostula") from the "prefectura" we might still be required to translate the copy and legalize it a normal notary or something.

Here comes question no 1, what does the IRS says about this? Is only the stamp from the "prefectura" ( a branch of the city hall in other words) enough for IRS or do we need to pursue further and go to a notary as well and legalize the documents?

Question no 2 which I am not sure IRS can respond...does a person have to be present when legalizing the documents...or I can legalize it in behalf of my bf which resides in a different city?

Question no 3 is, what happens if we live at 2 addresses in the same country? Do we have to go to the "cityhall" where our address in the ID is?

Question no 4 is: Can we choose a different delivery address for the answer from the IRS? I for one am officially living in one city on my ID, but practically am residing in another one, and on the form it does not says anywhere if we can choose a different delivery address to receive mail from IRS, and it would be a real inconvenience to stay for 1 month or 2 at the address in the hope I will receive mail from IRS.

Question no 5: What is the most secure way to mail this to IRS? I do not want my mail to get lost and all the work gone to waste.

Question no 6: Do we have to do this paperwork every year? Is there any way to get this ITIN for an extended period of time?

Question no 7: Does having a tourist visa for 10 years help in any way with the documentation?

Question no 8: Do we get proof back from the IRS that we have paid this tax so we do not get taxed in Romania as well? How does this work?

These are all the questions I could think of so far, and I apologize if some do not make sense. I am not a genius with paperwork :).

Hope other Romanians are going to share their questions and finding on this thread. I honestly do not want to quit SS unless I really have to.

Gabriela
zu1u


Joined: 14 Apr 2009
Posts: 77
Location: Romania

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 1:28 pm     Reply with quote

All this about taxing non-us citizens is just one big pile of utter crap. I honestly will not be submitting any documents unless the costs are under what I make here in a month [~$50].
If i get taxed 'unfairly' I will simply remove my portofolio because the earnings will simply not be worth my time.

I am looking forward to your reply regarding the papers and costs involved.
igabrielle


Joined: 05 Aug 2006
Posts: 91
Location: Romania

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 1:33 pm     Reply with quote

zu1u wrote:
All this about taxing non-us citizens is just one big pile of utter crap. I honestly will not be submitting any documents unless the costs are under what I make here in a month [~$50].
If i get taxed 'unfairly' I will simply remove my portofolio because the earnings will simply not be worth my time.

I am looking forward to your reply regarding the papers and costs involved.


I am not earning much more than that, but I managed to make the 70$ payout constantly this year and I do not want to give up so easy...even if all this is not fair and everyone knows it and we have been through it on the 60 pages thread :)
xalanx


Joined: 06 Aug 2007
Posts: 379
Location: www.catalinpetolea.com

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 1:35 pm     Reply with quote

As far as I know at this point:

- the notary has to certify the passport copy in "Hague Convention way". According to the document, this all Hague thing means that we need that "apostile".
- the best way is to go to an authorised translator who will translate the passport and take care of the notary certification too. From him / her you'll get this apostile. I don't know how much it costs, I'll see tomorrow when I'll talk with the translator.
- we still need the SS letter to attach to the documents to be sent to IRS. We can't move until then.

That's all, so far.

Catalin.
igabrielle


Joined: 05 Aug 2006
Posts: 91
Location: Romania

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 1:37 pm     Reply with quote

Here comes another question to mind.

All our ID's, passport, drivers license do have english language in it...so what exactly do we need to translate?
Maybe the legalized copy from the notary? do a double legalization of the passport and than translation of the legalization?
mackin43
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Joined: 20 Mar 2008
Posts: 427

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 1:39 pm     Reply with quote

Hi xalanx,

See below.

-jm

xalanx wrote:
As far as I know at this point:

- the notary has to certify the passport copy in "Hague Convention way". According to the document, this all Hague thing means that we need that "apostile".
- the best way is to go to an authorised translator who will translate the passport and take care of the notary certification too. From him / her you'll get this apostile. I don't know how much it costs, I'll see tomorrow when I'll talk with the translator.
- we still need the SS letter to attach to the documents to be sent to IRS. We can't move until then.

The "SS letter" is the email we sent you. You can simply print that and it will suffice.

That's all, so far.

Catalin.
zu1u


Joined: 14 Apr 2009
Posts: 77
Location: Romania

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 1:41 pm     Reply with quote

It would also help if we knew once we have the apropriate papers where do we send them?
zu1u


Joined: 14 Apr 2009
Posts: 77
Location: Romania

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 1:41 pm     Reply with quote

mackin43 wrote:
Hi xalanx,

See below.

-jm

xalanx wrote:
As far as I know at this point:

- the notary has to certify the passport copy in "Hague Convention way". According to the document, this all Hague thing means that we need that "apostile".
- the best way is to go to an authorised translator who will translate the passport and take care of the notary certification too. From him / her you'll get this apostile. I don't know how much it costs, I'll see tomorrow when I'll talk with the translator.
- we still need the SS letter to attach to the documents to be sent to IRS. We can't move until then.

The "SS letter" is the email we sent you. You can simply print that and it will suffice.

That's all, so far.

Catalin.


I didn't get a letter.

And yes all our gov issued IDs have english translations.
pilgrimartworks


Joined: 24 Oct 2008
Posts: 78
Location: Romania

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 1:43 pm     Reply with quote

Multumesc Gabriela ca ai deschis un topic separat pentru Romania.
xalanx


Joined: 06 Aug 2007
Posts: 379
Location: www.catalinpetolea.com

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 1:46 pm     Reply with quote

Great, so we have the letter. Well, at least some of us. I'm confident that the ones who haven't received it yet, will get it soon. I think I'll get started tomorrow, I'll let you know the costs.
igabrielle


Joined: 05 Aug 2006
Posts: 91
Location: Romania

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 1:46 pm     Reply with quote

On the W-7 form that we have to complete it says that by mail we have to send to:

Internal Revenue Services
ITIN Operation
P.O. Box 149342
Austin, TX 78714 - 9342
igabrielle


Joined: 05 Aug 2006
Posts: 91
Location: Romania

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 1:47 pm     Reply with quote

pilgrimartworks wrote:
Multumesc Gabriela ca ai deschis un topic separat pentru Romania.


Cu placere!
medveh


Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Posts: 1829
Location: Transylvania

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 1:47 pm     Reply with quote

I don't get why can't you just go to a simple notary office and legalize your passport, ID or driver's license, I think it's absolutely possible and you don't need to go to the city hall at all, why would you? I don't get it.

So I think it's pretty simple,

1. you need a legalized copy of two IDs of some kind... (permis, buletin, pasaport) - 2 of these only
2. printed email from Shutterstock
3. completed W-7 form http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/fw7.pdf


I think these 3 steps are enough to apply for ITIN.

Send all the above through post to the following address:

Internal Revenue Service
Austin Service Center
ITIN Operation
P.O. Box 149342
Austin, TX 78714-9342


If everyhting's ok you will get your ITIN in 4-6 weeks, after that you should file the W-8BEN form which will be available by that time online on shutterstock submitter's page.

Did I miss something? Am I right?
igabrielle


Joined: 05 Aug 2006
Posts: 91
Location: Romania

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 1:49 pm     Reply with quote

xalanx wrote:
Great, so we have the letter. Well, at least some of us. I'm confident that the ones who haven't received it yet, will get it soon. I think I'll get started tomorrow, I'll let you know the costs.


For those who didn't receive the letter this is how it looks like:

Username: igabrielle
Your name
Your address

Iasi, Iasi
700213
Romania



Dear "Your Name",

This letter is to advise you of potential changes in the amount of tax that may be withheld from your Shutterstock earnings.

In reviewing our files we discovered that we do not have a record of having received any US withholding tax certificates from you. Based upon the information in our files it appears that you may be a resident of Romania, which has an income tax treaty with the United States that provides for a reduced rate of withholding tax on royalties.

If you are a resident of Romania and qualify for benefits under the US/Romania income tax treaty, you will need to complete a U.S. Internal Revenue Service (IRS) Form W-8BEN, Certificate of Foreign Status of Beneficial Owner for United States Tax Withholding. We are in the process of installing an online version of Form W-8BEN on our website; however, in order to complete Form W-8BEN you must have a U.S. Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN). If you do not currently have an ITIN, you can obtain one by filing a Form W-7, Application for IRS Individual Taxpayer Identification Number, with the IRS. This process takes only 4-6 weeks and could reduce your withholding taxes significantly.

Please complete the most recent version of Form W-7 by checking Box a (Nonresident alien required to obtain ITIN to claim tax treaty benefits), providing the information requested in Lines 1 through 6, and signing the form where indicated. You must provide certified or notarized copies of documents, such as your passport, that substantiate the information contained on Form W-7.

After completing the W-7 form and providing the required documentation as described above, you can apply for an ITIN in any of three ways:

1. by mail through the IRS, with details available here:

http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=96287,00.html

2. using the services of an IRS-authorized Acceptance Agent in your country

3. by visiting an IRS Taxpayer Assistance Center in Frankfurt, London, or Paris, where they will provide in-person help with ITIN applications on a walk-in or appointment basis.

http://www.irs.gov/localcontacts/article/0,,id=101292,00.html

Please note that without an ITIN and a completed IRS Form W-8BEN on file at Shutterstock, we will be required to deduct a 30% US withholding tax from royalties payable to you.

We will send you a separate email when our online Form W-8BEN is ready for use. Your early June royalty payment will not be subject to withholdings but subsequent royalty payments may be.

If you have questions on tax withholding from your Shutterstock earnings, please visit our submitter forum.



Thank you for your cooperation and attention to this matter.



Best Regards,

Shutterstock Images LLC
igabrielle


Joined: 05 Aug 2006
Posts: 91
Location: Romania

Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 1:51 pm     Reply with quote

medveh wrote:
I don't get why can't you just go to a simple notary office and legalize your passport, ID or driver's license, I think it's absolutely possible and you don't need to go to the city hall at all, why would you? I don't get it.

So I think it's pretty simple,

1. you need a legalized copy of two IDs of some kind... (permis, buletin, pasaport) - 2 of these only
2. printed email from Shutterstock
3. completed W-7 form http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/fw7.pdf


I think these 3 steps are enough to apply for ITIN.

Send all the above through post to the following address:

Internal Revenue Service
Austin Service Center
ITIN Operation
P.O. Box 149342
Austin, TX 78714-9342


If everyhting's ok you will get your ITIN in 4-6 weeks, after that you should file the W-8BEN form which will be available by that time online on shutterstock submitter's page.

Did I miss something? Am I right?


It does sound pretty simple, but I believe what most of submitters not only romanians do not understand is how to actually legalize these documents so we do not get rejected by IRS...this is why this dispute on how to get it done and asking advice for it. However, there will be more light on this tomorrow.
 
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