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gudellaphoto
Joined: 11 Sep 2006
Posts: 926
Location: Hungary
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:39 am
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I still have a motorcycle image :P
Some clarification is really needed. I don't know why these things went this far. On the streets lots of time there ar ads with various tradmarks visible which don't belong to the thing what the image advertises. While it's not the main subject of the photo what is th problem is? |
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lowellaguno
Joined: 11 Oct 2006
Posts: 771
Location: Southern California; www.lowellaguno.com
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:30 pm
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| triceratops wrote: | | ...a great opportunity to move selected images to an RM site with better control over where an image is used and a better understanding of when a release is needed and when not. I suspect the problem at microstock sites is the sheer volume of images and lack of ability to control where they are used. So many that they can't look at each one objectively and must, therefore, take a broad brush to all. This will force each of us to be more discriminating, not so much as to what we photograph, but rather where we place the image for sale. Bland, non-controversial, non-cutting edge images on microstock and the good stuff on higher end sites. It's a changing business model and we must change along with it. |
I agree with what you wrote.
I welcome the microstock industry's "crackdown" as to what they'll accept into their image collections. Their sensitivity to "copyright/trademark" issues means it will make it easier for stock photographers, like me, who market images directly to photo buyers on an RM basis. Due to the nature of my images, my target market is editorial. Up to now it's been difficult when publishers say they can get the same types of images I offer for pennies-on-the-dollar from microstock sites. Now that micros are purging old images and not accepting new ones because of "copyright/trademark", these publishers' image sources will be me, or others like me.
As I've posted in other threads of similar topic, I welcome what is happening in the microstock industry. Editorial stock photographers, like me, can begin to once again earn reasonable incomes from our images. My generic, non-descript eye-candy images will continue to be submitted to SS and other micros. But my workhorse images (some of which aren't released) of people, places, and things can be more easily promoted to potential photo buyers in my editorial market target (where copyright/trademark is nine out of ten times not an issue). |
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kapai
Joined: 05 Jan 2007
Posts: 102
Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:00 pm
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Just lost another 34 car images. Some of my best sellers are gone. Shutterstock really need to explain how for this is going, what other subjects are at risk |
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gep
Joined: 17 May 2006
Posts: 358
Location: hurricane alley
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:09 pm
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i just lost one of my best selling shots of a highway patrol car on a winding road in the desert.
i wholeheartedly agree that SS really owes its contributor community an explanation and guidelines! they really should not hide behind 'legal concerns'! |
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jayshrp
Joined: 18 Sep 2006
Posts: 129
Location: Fairport Harbor Ohio
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:50 pm
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We obviously are not going to get a response from them. I have not gotten an answer from my email to them and they have not addressed it here after several days of this blog going on. |
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kapai
Joined: 05 Jan 2007
Posts: 102
Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:39 pm
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Doesn't copyright on any item have a finite term of operation before something moves to public domain.
Is there anyone here with a legal background that could look into the copyright law that pertains to photographs of copyrighted items & the use of these photos.
This would not have been a major problem prior to Internet & microstock agents making the sales of digital photos so easy. Do these copyright laws exist or are the car makers just trying to use old laws to apply to new technology |
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aguus
Joined: 02 Mar 2009
Posts: 5
Location: Russia, Sakhalin
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:43 am
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Kapai,
I am not well versed in US laws, but generally, in any jurisdiction the applicable copyright laws are similar - making a shot of a copyrighted subject shall be considered as reproduction of this subject in whole or in part. Such reproduction is allowed for the copyright owners only who have the EXCLUSIVE rights to do it (you are using the same rule while copyrighting your own images). This is why we may need to get permission from the copyright owner and/or actual owner of the copyrighted items for shutting it and, most important, using it.
In practice, most lawsuits of copyright owners are filed against the person who uses a photograph rather than against the photographer. So, it is applicable mainly to SS and end users that use photographs in their advertising, product packaging, website or business brochure. |
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logoboom
Joined: 10 Jan 2007
Posts: 279
Location: Los Angeles, California
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:14 am
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| dzain wrote: | why do they delete images? why don't they change the status to editorial when they have issues with it?
maybe it's not possible on motorcycles, but I read about removals of images of skylines and buildings that could be used editorial
I feel very depressed by things here lately. |
Yes. Why not change the status to editorial instead of removing images? Customers need images of cars and such. |
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mounatinpix
Joined: 28 Aug 2008
Posts: 143
Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:30 am
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| logoboom wrote: | | dzain wrote: | why do they delete images? why don't they change the status to editorial when they have issues with it?
maybe it's not possible on motorcycles, but I read about removals of images of skylines and buildings that could be used editorial
I feel very depressed by things here lately. |
Yes. Why not change the status to editorial instead of removing images? Customers need images of cars and such. |
maybe a way of 'driving' customers away to BP (ha ha). |
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spe
Joined: 07 Sep 2006
Posts: 66
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:12 am
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| logoboom wrote: | | dzain wrote: | why do they delete images? why don't they change the status to editorial when they have issues with it?
maybe it's not possible on motorcycles, but I read about removals of images of skylines and buildings that could be used editorial
I feel very depressed by things here lately. |
Yes. Why not change the status to editorial instead of removing images? Customers need images of cars and such. |
I'm not having much of cars in my portfolio, but one surely marked as editorial, in spite of that I wasn't marking it in that way, so some of the crew done this. |
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frozenpeas
Joined: 23 Jun 2005
Posts: 981
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:43 am
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Just had one cartoon car vector removed. It's probably a compliment that they thought it looked like something real. My skills must be improving....
Perhaps they should now change the footer text to read:
8,777,397 photos available for download
94,726 new photos added in the past week
95,000 photos deleted in the past week for copyright concerns
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gudellaphoto
Joined: 11 Sep 2006
Posts: 926
Location: Hungary
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:36 am
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Maybe the problem with just changing images to editorial is that they look silly for editorial use with removed logos anf tradmarks. Editorial shots should be free of this kind of retouching, I guess |
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mounatinpix
Joined: 28 Aug 2008
Posts: 143
Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:45 am
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| gudellaphoto wrote: | | Maybe the problem with just changing images to editorial is that they look silly for editorial use with removed logos anf tradmarks. Editorial shots should be free of this kind of retouching, I guess |
that's a good point. I have to remove logos for my skiing shots all the time, but it's easy for me to put them back. I guess SS could have offered that option to the car and bike people in a friendly colaborative way. |
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frozenpeas
Joined: 23 Jun 2005
Posts: 981
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:42 am
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I went out into the countryside today to take some pictures and on the road ahead was a car closely followed by a motorbike. In the distance was a lake which had a small boat. To my left, coming over the crest of the hill was a train which was delivering construction equipment.
There was also some mountain cyclists riding across a wooded trail and a man walking his Bichon.
Even though it wasn't snowing and there were no snowmobiles about I decided to pack up and go home.
Rob |
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cchar54
Joined: 11 Apr 2007
Posts: 296
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:57 am
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I just had one removed of a golf cart. |
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