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PaulCowan
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:24 am
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| alison1414 wrote: | It's also been attributed to Clemenceau and, most often, to Winston Churchill. It does sound like something he'd say.
Anyway I am glad to know the true origin of my favorite quotation. Oh, and nobody likes a smartass haha |
I'm happy to have helped fill one of the holes in your education, Alison.
Have fun. Enjoy life (because there's probably no God)
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PaulCowan
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:38 am
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| mauijon wrote: | | Yes, there is a lot of hypocrisy in the op but, sadly, too much of it is true. |
Bits of it are sometimes true but much of it turns reality on its head. It makes out that defence of freedom of speech, thought and liberty is at the heart of conservatism, whereas the Right is far more inclined towards repressing the freedom of those they disagree with than the Left.
Indefinite detention without trial, censorship and repression, greed, violence, bullying and general insensitivity are far more closely linked with conservatism than with liberalism. Yet, oddly enough, American conservatives always find spurious ways of justifying oppressive acts as being in defence of freedom. |
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pcbueg71
Joined: 03 Nov 2007
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:12 am
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Alxerod walks into the Oval and says to the President, " I have good news and bad news." Obama replies, " After last night election results please give me the good news first." Alxerods with great excitement spouts out, Michelle's donkey is pregancy with twins. Obama is very happy and a big smiles appears on his face.
Then the smile fade into a frond, " But you said you have bad new. Alxerod lowers his voice, " The donkey is pregancy with twin elephants and they are due next year on election day!
Let's hear it for the voters in New Jersey and Virginia.... Onward and forward to November 2010!
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reef
Joined: 05 Feb 2007
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Location: Queensland, Australia
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:18 am
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I kinda miss old George Dubya - he sure gave the rest of the world a good laugh!
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pcbueg71
Joined: 03 Nov 2007
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:20 am
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| PaulCowan wrote: | | mauijon wrote: | | Yes, there is a lot of hypocrisy in the op but, sadly, too much of it is true. |
Bits of it are sometimes true but much of it turns reality on its head. It makes out that defence of freedom of speech, thought and liberty is at the heart of conservatism, whereas the Right is far more inclined towards repressing the freedom of those they disagree with than the Left.
Indefinite detention without trial, censorship and repression, greed, violence, bullying and general insensitivity are far more closely linked with conservatism than with liberalism. Yet, oddly enough, American conservatives always find spurious ways of justifying oppressive acts as being in defence of freedom. |
Indefinite detention without trial, censorship and repression, greed, violence, bullying and general insensitivity are far more closely linked with conservatism than with liberalism. Yet, oddly enough, American conservatives always find spurious ways of justifying oppressive acts as being in defence of freedom.
Are you referencing FDR treatment of Japanese-American citizens? FDR was about as liberal as they get. |
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PaulCowan
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:44 am
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| pcbueg71 wrote: |
Are you referencing FDR treatment of Japanese-American citizens? FDR was about as liberal as they get. |
You had to go a long way back for that one, didn't you? Were you asleep when the last US administration was at work?
And that doesn't even scratch the surface of the repression of homosexuals, the murder of abortionists, the attempts to undermine scientific education, the gagging order against Nasa scientists whose opinions contradicted the President's ... not to mention the commie-style state-funded bail-out demanded by the richest of the rich when their greed wrecks the financial system they claim to be so proud of.
And don't get me on to how the Right wing was so dumb that it allowed itself and the Pentagon to be recruited by the Iranian secret service to destroy it's old foe and the Middle East's buffer against Tehran's influence. An act of lunacy which I think came under "taking action against perceived threats" in your list of Conservative merits. |
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pcbueg71
Joined: 03 Nov 2007
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:29 am
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| PaulCowan wrote: | | pcbueg71 wrote: |
Are you referencing FDR treatment of Japanese-American citizens? FDR was about as liberal as they get. |
You had to go a long way back for that one, didn't you? Were you asleep when the last US administration was at work?
And that doesn't even scratch the surface of the repression of homosexuals, the murder of abortionists, the attempts to undermine scientific education, the gagging order against Nasa scientists whose opinions contradicted the President's ... not to mention the commie-style state-funded bail-out demanded by the richest of the rich when their greed wrecks the financial system they claim to be so proud of.
And don't get me on to how the Right wing was so dumb that it allowed itself and the Pentagon to be recruited by the Iranian secret service to destroy it's old foe and the Middle East's buffer against Tehran's influence. An act of lunacy which I think came under "taking action against perceived threats" in your list of Conservative merits. |
Now the Left Wing Marist are SO DUMB that they think the enemies are American Citizens: Tea Party Rallies, Town Hallers, Fox News, and Talk Radio. |
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galstyan
Joined: 21 Mar 2008
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PaulCowan
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:03 am
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| pcbueg71 wrote: |
Now the Left Wing Marist are SO DUMB that they think the enemies are American Citizens: Tea Party Rallies, Town Hallers, Fox News, and Talk Radio. |
Left wing Marists? Wow! Religion and politics all rolled into one. It could be Ireland, Lebanon, Afghanistan or Iraq! Let me set your mind at ease: I am not now and never have been a member of the Roman Catholic church. |
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lilcrazyfuzzy
Joined: 29 Nov 2005
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Location: Freiburg im Breisgau, Germany
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:08 am
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| PaulCowan wrote: | | pcbueg71 wrote: |
Now the Left Wing Marist are SO DUMB that they think the enemies are American Citizens: Tea Party Rallies, Town Hallers, Fox News, and Talk Radio. |
Left wing Marists? Wow! Religion and politics all rolled into one. It could be Ireland, Lebanon, Afghanistan or Iraq! Let me set your mind at ease: I am not now and never have been a member of the Roman Catholic church. |
Ave Maria! |
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pcbueg71
Joined: 03 Nov 2007
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:27 am
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Q: What is it called when a Liberal blows in another Liberal’s ear?
A: Data transfer.
Q: What's the difference between God and a Democrat?
A: God knows He's not a Democrat. |
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PaulCowan
Joined: 24 Feb 2005
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:45 am
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| pcbueg71 wrote: | Q: What is it called when a Liberal blows in another Liberal’s ear?
A: Data transfer.
Q: What's the difference between God and a Democrat?
A: God knows He's not a Democrat. |
Hmmm... there's not actually any content to anything you write, is there? It's just slogans and quips designed to amuse and excite that portion of the party faithful who are sufficiently ignorant to think bigotry is clever. |
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pcbueg71
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:16 am
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| PaulCowan wrote: | | pcbueg71 wrote: | Q: What is it called when a Liberal blows in another Liberal’s ear?
A: Data transfer.
Q: What's the difference between God and a Democrat?
A: God knows He's not a Democrat. |
Hmmm... there's not actually any content to anything you write, is there? It's just slogans and quips designed to amuse and excite that portion of the party faithful who are sufficiently ignorant to think bigotry is clever. |
Talk about calling the kettle black? Just another Liberal resorting to name calling, arrogance, egotism, and self-importance! |
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PaulCowan
Joined: 24 Feb 2005
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:23 am
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| pcbueg71 wrote: | | PaulCowan wrote: | | pcbueg71 wrote: | Q: What is it called when a Liberal blows in another Liberal’s ear?
A: Data transfer.
Q: What's the difference between God and a Democrat?
A: God knows He's not a Democrat. |
Hmmm... there's not actually any content to anything you write, is there? It's just slogans and quips designed to amuse and excite that portion of the party faithful who are sufficiently ignorant to think bigotry is clever. |
Talk about calling the kettle black? Just another Liberal resorting to name calling, arrogance, egotism, and self-importance! |
Really? I did raise certain specific issues ... "And that doesn't even scratch the surface of the repression of homosexuals, the murder of abortionists, the attempts to undermine scientific education, the gagging order against Nasa scientists whose opinions contradicted the President's ... not to mention the commie-style state-funded bail-out demanded by the richest of the rich when their greed wrecks the financial system they claim to be so proud of.
And don't get me on to how the Right wing was so dumb that it allowed itself and the Pentagon to be recruited by the Iranian secret service to destroy it's old foe and the Middle East's buffer against Tehran's influence. An act of lunacy which I think came under "taking action against perceived threats" in your list of Conservative merits."
not one of which you answered. |
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terrielynn
Joined: 02 Aug 2005
Posts: 320
Location: Upstate South Carolina
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:57 pm
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| PaulCowan wrote: | | I'm a former member of the Council of the (British) Conservative Party in Wales. I prefer to avoid labels. My opinions reflect a lifetime of involvement with and observation of how the world works. |
Very interesting. (sincerely... no sarcasm here)
I attempted to find a source of information regarding the Conservative Party in Wales. Is this correct:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Conservative_Party
At first I stumbled upon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Conservative_Party but was a bit surprised because I would not have pegged you for a member of the Conservative Party. Then I saw that the Welsh Conservative Party is described as affiliated with the British Conservative Party. So is this the correct organization?
I make no claims at being any expert regarding British politics, but I am fascinated that you are (or were) associated with the Conservative Party there. Perhaps my surprise reflects some prejudicial ignorance of your political views.
I heard a very conservative member of the US House make a comment a few years ago. He is (or was) a rather rabid conservative (whose name I cannot now recall). But he entered Congress on a conservative mission like a small terrier, barking at every "lib" he could find.
One day he made a semi-public attack (openly spoken, but no reporters in the room) upon the character and patriotism of a noted liberal politician - Ted Kennedy, I think. Later that day, he was pulled aside by none other than Jesse Helms who admonished him privately, "Your opponent is no less patriotic than you are. His solutions to problems are very different than ours, but there is no reason to doubt his devotion to our country."
I guess this has sort of stuck with me. I don't agree with very much of the approach that the Democratic majority is taking to the healthcare and economic issues that we face today. But I really don't question that most of the people in Congress want the best for the country. I suppose that there are a few that are genuine scoundrels, but I think that most of them want the best for the country.
That is the problem that I have with so many of the conservative talk radio hosts today. I don't usually disagree with their views of current issues, but I really take issue with their vilification of anyone on the other side of the aisle. The resulting political polarization is completely counter-productive. I have no problem with attacking a proposed piece of legislation or a political idea, but there is nothing genuinely great to be gained from defaming a political foe. Of course, this goes on from both sides of the aisle. It is what makes Congress so ineffective. The two-party system was probably good for a while, but I believe that it is a great hinderance any more.
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