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PaulCowan
Joined: 24 Feb 2005
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:02 pm
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It was a regional council of the British Conservative Party at the time (I don't know if the arrangements have changed recently). I'm in a hurry to go out now, so I haven't time to read your whole post just now. |
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helix7
Joined: 24 Apr 2007
Posts: 996
Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:03 pm
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| pcbueg71 wrote: | | Talk about calling the kettle black? Just another Liberal resorting to name calling, arrogance, egotism, and self-importance! |
Sounds kind of like the original post in this thread, and just about every post you've made since. Nothing but prejudice, bigotry, and feeble jokes that I suppose you think could be considered actual commentary on politics. |
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PaulCowan
Joined: 24 Feb 2005
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:34 pm
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Dan, as far back as I can remember in my political involvement, (almost) everybody on every side was trying to find the best way of building a great future for all the people in the country. We had different ideas but we respected each other's sincerity, which was why we would stand each other drinks at the bar at Uni.
Not everyone was like that, but we all knew instinctively those who were just trying to climb the ladder and generally they didn't get very far up it. |
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pcbueg71
Joined: 03 Nov 2007
Posts: 201
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:14 am
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| helix7 wrote: | | pcbueg71 wrote: | | Talk about calling the kettle black? Just another Liberal resorting to name calling, arrogance, egotism, and self-importance! |
Sounds kind of like the original post in this thread, and just about every post you've made since. Nothing but prejudice, bigotry, and feeble jokes that I suppose you think could be considered actual commentary on politics. |
Typical liberal smear and talking points, liberals are proven to be more prejudice, bigots, and racists then conservatives. |
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pcbueg71
Joined: 03 Nov 2007
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:18 am
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Really? I did raise certain specific issues ... "And that doesn't even scratch the surface of the repression of homosexuals, the murder of abortionists, the attempts to undermine scientific education, the gagging order against Nasa scientists whose opinions contradicted the President's ... not to mention the commie-style state-funded bail-out demanded by the richest of the rich when their greed wrecks the financial system they claim to be so proud of.
And don't get me on to how the Right wing was so dumb that it allowed itself and the Pentagon to be recruited by the Iranian secret service to destroy it's old foe and the Middle East's buffer against Tehran's influence. An act of lunacy which I think came under "taking action against perceived threats" in your list of Conservative merits."
not one of which you answered. |
You are so far out in the weeds that it is best to drop another ball and play on! |
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helix7
Joined: 24 Apr 2007
Posts: 996
Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:36 am
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| pcbueg71 wrote: | | Typical liberal smear and talking points, liberals are proven to be more prejudice, bigots, and racists then conservatives. |
And yet here you are, posting racist comments in a public forum. Pot, meet kettle... |
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PaulCowan
Joined: 24 Feb 2005
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:07 am
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| pcbueg71 wrote: | | You are so far out in the weeds that it is best to drop another ball and play on! |
I'm sorry to have to ask this but how old are you?
Are you aware that the Bush administration introduced and subsequently used laws allowing detention without trial of people held on suspicion of terrorism?
Are you aware that members of the Christian right have sought to subvert science teaching in schools by insisting the Christian mythology should be taught as if it has equal credibility with well established and thoroughly tested scientific theories?
Are you aware that the same group has on occasion, apparently in defence of the "right to life" carried out attacks on abortion clinics including murdering a doctor at least once?
Are you aware that the CIA opened an investigation in 2004 into how the Iranian agent Ahmed Chalabi had enticed Bush into attacking Iraq by providing false "intelligence" about WMD and supposed aggressive intentions of Saddam's regime? The investigation seems to have subsequently been hushed up, but if you can find anything about its outcome I would be interested to see it.
Are you aware that the White House apparently blocked NASA scientists from making statements on climate change that contradicted the Administration's political position on this issue?
Or maybe you just think that this is all as it should be. Could you perhaps tell us, instead of just throwing around irrelevant insults? |
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pcbueg71
Joined: 03 Nov 2007
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:10 am
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| helix7 wrote: | | pcbueg71 wrote: | | Typical liberal smear and talking points, liberals are proven to be more prejudice, bigots, and racists then conservatives. |
And yet here you are, posting racist comments in a public forum. Pot, meet kettle... |
That is false and you know it! |
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davidcrehner
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:55 am
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The more you spend time trying to convince him that he's wrong, the more he "wins". |
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lffile
Joined: 15 May 2007
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:51 am
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| davidcrehner wrote: | | The more you spend time trying to convince him that he's wrong, the more he "wins". |
Was that a mispelling? I think it is "the more he whines". No?
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davidcrehner
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:38 am
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| lffile wrote: | | davidcrehner wrote: | | The more you spend time trying to convince him that he's wrong, the more he "wins". |
Was that a mispelling? I think it is "the more he whines". No?
fred |
If the shoe fits... |
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pcbueg71
Joined: 03 Nov 2007
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:39 pm
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Liberals, Socialist, Marist, and Communist are always trying to convince the world their vision is correct. The segment of society that was not convinced, were sent to prison or dead camps.
The last twentieth century provided us excellent examples of murder:
Mao Zedong Communist Party of China widely believed to have caused the deaths of between 50 to 70 million people.
Joseph Stalin Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [Bolsheviks] a number of recent historians suggesting a likely total of around 20 million, citing much higher victim totals from executions, gulags, deportations and other causes.
Adolf Hilter National Socialist [Nazi] governments and recruits from occupied countries, systematically killed somewhere between 11 and 14 million people.
Add to this murderous Dictators of the Twenieth Century:
Hideki Tojo (Japan, 1941-44)
5,000,000 (civilians in WWII)
Ismail Enver (Turkey, 1915-20)
1,200,000 Armenians (1915) + 350,000 Greek Pontians and 480,000 Anatolian Greeks (1916-22) + 500,000 Assyrians (1915-20)
Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79)
1,700,000
Kim Il Sung (North Korea, 1948-94)
1.6 million (purges and concentration camps)
Menghistu (Ethiopia, 1975-78)
1,500,000
Yakubu Gowon (Biafra, 1967-1970)
1,000,000
Leonid Brezhnev (Afghanistan, 1979-1982)
900,000
Jean Kambanda (Rwanda, 1994)
800,000
Suharto (East Timor, West Papua, Communists, 1966-98)
800,000
Saddam Hussein (Iran 1980-1990 and Kurdistan 1987-88)
600,000
Tito (Yugoslavia, 1945-1987)
570,000
Fumimaro Konoe (Japan, 1937-39)
500,000? (Chinese civilians)
Jonas Savimbi (Angola, 1975-2002)
400,000
Mullah Omar - Taliban (Afghanistan, 1986-2001)
400,000
Idi Amin (Uganda, 1969-1979)
300,000
Yahya Khan (Pakistan, 1970-71)
300,000 (Bangladesh)
Benito Mussolini (Ethiopia, 1936; Libya, 1934-45; Yugoslavia, WWII)
300,000
Mobutu Sese Seko (Zaire, 1965-97)
?
Charles Taylor (Liberia, 1989-1996)
220,000
Foday Sankoh (Sierra Leone, 1991-2000)
200,000
Michel Micombero (Burundi, 1972)
150,000
Slobodan Milosevic (Yugoslavia, 1992-99)
100,000
Hassan Turabi (Sudan, 1989-1999)
Efrain Rios Montt (Guatemala, 1982-83)
70,000
Papa Doc Duvalier (Haiti, 1957-71)
60,000
Hissene Habre (Chad, 1982-1990)
40,000
Chiang Kai-shek (Taiwan, 1947)
30,000 (popular uprising)
Vladimir Ilich Lenin (USSR, 1917-20)
30,000 (dissidents executed)
Francisco Franco (Spain)
30,000 (dissidents executed after the civil war)
Fidel Castro (Cuba, 1959-1999)
30,000
Hafez Al-Assad (Syria, 1980-2000)
25,000
Khomeini (Iran, 1979-89)
20,000
Robert Mugabe (Zimbabwe, 1982-87, Ndebele minority)
20,000
Rafael Videla (Argentina, 1976-83)
13,000
Guy Mollet (France, 1956-1957)
10,000 (war in Algeria)
Efrain Rios Montt (Guatemala, 1982-83)
70,000
Papa Doc Duvalier (Haiti, 1957-71)
60,000
Hissene Habre (Chad, 1982-1990)
40,000
Chiang Kai-shek (Taiwan, 1947)
30,000 (popular uprising)
Vladimir Ilich Lenin (USSR, 1917-20)
30,000 (dissidents executed)
Francisco Franco (Spain)
30,000 (dissidents executed after the civil war)
Fidel Castro (Cuba, 1959-1999)
30,000
Hafez Al-Assad (Syria, 1980-2000)
25,000
Khomeini (Iran, 1979-89)
20,000
Robert Mugabe (Zimbabwe, 1982-87, Ndebele minority)
20,000
Rafael Videla (Argentina, 1976-83)
13,000
Guy Mollet (France, 1956-1957)
10,000 (war in Algeria)
Harold McMillans (Britain, 1952-56, Kenya's Mau-Mau rebellion)
10,000
Paul Koroma (Sierra Leone, 1997)
6,000
Osama Bin Laden (worldwide, 1993-2001)
3,500
Augusto Pinochet (Chile, 1973)
3,000
Al Zarqawi (Iraq, 2004-06)
2,000
Democracies do not attack democracies! Democracies do not kill their citizens. Yes, the USA and past administrators [Republican or Democrat] have not been prefect. Compared to the world history of the twentieth century the conclusion and only choice is Democracy Government!
How can you support Liberals, Socialist, Marist, or Communist idealogy? |
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helix7
Joined: 24 Apr 2007
Posts: 996
Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:44 pm
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| pcbueg71 wrote: | | That is false and you know it! |
Really?
| pcbueg71 wrote: | ...If a black person or Hispanic is conservative, they see themselves as independently successful.
Their liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of
government protection... |
I'm pretty sure that singling out a group of people based on race is called racism. You're saying that all people of a particular race and political persuasion do some particular thing that is viewed by society as being negative. At the very least it's blatant prejudice.
You could have just made the same statement without bringing race into it. Instead, you singled out two particular races of people who you feel behave a certain way. If that's not racism, I'm not sure what is. |
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helix7
Joined: 24 Apr 2007
Posts: 996
Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:51 pm
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| pcbueg71 wrote: | | ...The last twentieth century provided us excellent examples of murder... |
You forgot one:
George W Bush (Iraq, 2003-Present)
93,793+ Iraqi civilians
4359 US troops |
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pcbueg71
Joined: 03 Nov 2007
Posts: 201
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:11 pm
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| helix7 wrote: | | pcbueg71 wrote: | | ...The last twentieth century provided us excellent examples of murder... |
You forgot one:
George W Bush (Iraq, 2003-Present)
93,793+ Iraqi civilians
4359 US troops |
Liberals, Socialist, Marist, and Communist
GWB is not president, it is now Obama's war. How many are you going to add to Obama credt?
Countries invovle in Iraqi: UK, Poland, Canada, Spain, Iran, Syria, Turkey, and varies Terror Groups.
It included Liberals, Socialist, Marist, Dictators,and Communist of the twentieth century. For FYI the USA is still democracy and it is the twenty-first century
A liberal as usual, who will always blame the USA first! Tell it to all the relatives of Hussien's genocide. |
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