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cthoman
Joined: 06 Dec 2006
Posts: 304
Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:39 pm
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I know others asked this question too, but I figured I'd throw my two cents in as well. The post doesn't make a lot of sense. Aren't ai 8 files ai 10 compatible by nature of backwards compatibility? The original post makes it sound like they are going to reject ai 8 files. |
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misslina
Joined: 01 Aug 2009
Posts: 13
Location: Manchester, UK
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:24 pm
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| cthoman wrote: | | I know others asked this question too, but I figured I'd throw my two cents in as well. The post doesn't make a lot of sense. Aren't ai 8 files ai 10 compatible by nature of backwards compatibility? The original post makes it sound like they are going to reject ai 8 files. |
I agree with you cthoman. It just doesn't make sense. All the ai 8 are compatible with ai 10, so why should we convert them to ai 10 if we don't use transparency, radial gradients, etc, etc..
Of course, I congratulate Shutterstock with going forward and making improvements!
It would be great if all of the stock sites had the same requirements of ai 10 and 15MB. It only means extra work now if I want to upload my illustrations to a few stock sites with different requirements.
Lina
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lirch
Joined: 25 Jun 2009
Posts: 842
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:33 pm
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Finally eps 8 is out. great news. |
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Pierdelune
Joined: 09 Nov 2004
Posts: 104
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:24 pm
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I really don't see the problem using EPS 10 or EPS 8
If you don't use any transparencies or effects any EPS 10 could be open in Freehand, Corel or anyone. Maybee I am wrong, so please correct me. Even Radial and linear gradients could can also cause headaches
for non-AI users. Radial gradients have
a tendency to split into teeny splinters
when opened into Freehand. The problem is also with, meshes which won’t work in other software like Freehand or Corel.
Than I don't know why being afraid to have any sales
because it will be EPS 10.
Maybee will be good to add at the botton of your
description that your file doesn't contain i.e.:
No transparancies, no effects or maybee
only "compatible with EPS8" or "only compatible
with EPS10 or more".
I am very happy that SS will now go for EPS10
I am doing graphics because I really love that.
With EPS10, now I think I will go furthermore
behind using opacity mask, transparencies, etcc.
If we can't use all the tools of Illustrator CS3, than why paying so much money for an unusable program. We could therefore use cheaper one or freeone.
We are in 2010 soon and SS is a leader in stock
sites and always in advance, so don't stop the
progress.
Every good designers who bought graphic know how
to handle file containing transparencies or effects.
Sorry for my English. I done my best. There are so
many sites explaining how to handle transparencies
graphics as Mordy Golding'one.
Happy Holiday to everybody |
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lirch
Joined: 25 Jun 2009
Posts: 842
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:52 pm
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| Pierdelune wrote: | I really don't see the problem using EPS 10 or EPS 8
If you don't use any transparencies or effects any EPS 10 could be open in Freehand, Corel or anyone. Maybee I am wrong, so please correct me. Even Radial and linear gradients could can also cause headaches
for non-AI users. Radial gradients have
a tendency to split into teeny splinters
when opened into Freehand. The problem is also with, meshes which won’t work in other software like Freehand or Corel.
Than I don't know why being afraid to have any sales
because it will be EPS 10.
Maybee will be good to add at the botton of your
description that your file doesn't contain i.e.:
No transparancies, no effects or maybee
only "compatible with EPS8" or "only compatible
with EPS10 or more".
I am very happy that SS will now go for EPS10
I am doing graphics because I really love that.
With EPS10, now I think I will go furthermore
behind using opacity mask, transparencies, etcc.
If we can't use all the tools of Illustrator CS3, than why paying so much money for an unusable program. We could therefore use cheaper one or freeone.
We are in 2010 soon and SS is a leader in stock
sites and always in advance, so don't stop the
progress.
Every good designers who bought graphic know how
to handle file containing transparencies or effects.
Sorry for my English. I done my best. There are so
many sites explaining how to handle transparencies
graphics as Mordy Golding'one.
Happy Holiday to everybody |
true! so lets all make money, we've got more from ss, stop complaining and start working, less restrictions more freedom:) happy holiday all:) |
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jenden2005
Joined: 20 Oct 2005
Posts: 386
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:13 pm
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I have no problem with being able to submit AI10; I think its a wonderful step in the right direction.
I just don't think they should eliminate AI8 submissions. There's really no point ... submitting the file as AI10 doesn't enhance what is in the file; only increases the possibilities. I can draw a single, straight, black line and submit it as CS4 file - doesn't make it any more useful though. I think we should submit the lowest version the content is compatible with; and make it know to the customer what version is required to work with it. |
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davidarts
Joined: 12 Jul 2008
Posts: 788
Location: Italy
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:40 pm
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| thomasamby wrote: | | Please do not make EPS 10 a requirement. Make it an option, that would be way better! Just my opinion |
Hi KAycee
I think that it's implicit in the announcement:
"Starting Monday, December 21st you may:
1) Upload Vectors that are compatible with Illustrator 10.
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May = Can that is different from MUST :-D
Retrocompatibility are usually allowed because the latest vesion of a software could always open previous version.
I think the REAL question is:
Are convenient create AI10 until the other agencies have upgraded their policy too???
Shutterstock is the 70% of my earnings but I upload ( like mosto of designer) in many places and actually AI8 are the global rules... For me it could be a problem work with AI10 (I mean AI10 new features in relation with AI8...like transparency)because Ai10 can only be submitted here....
And with some work you can re-create the transparency effect with some gradient... so I actually prefer the 15MB limit upgrade instead of the AI10 upgrade...
What do you think? |
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Pierdelune
Joined: 09 Nov 2004
Posts: 104
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:32 pm
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[quote="davidarts"] | thomasamby wrote: |
I think the REAL question is:
Are convenient create AI10 until the other agencies have upgraded their policy too???
Shutterstock is the 70% of my earnings but I upload ( like mosto of designer) in many places and actually AI8 are the global rules... For me it could be a problem work with AI10 (I mean AI10 new features in relation with AI8...like transparency)because Ai10 can only be submitted here....
And with some work you can re-create the transparency effect with some gradient... so I actually prefer the 15MB limit upgrade instead of the AI10 upgrade...
What do you think? |
Hi
very easy to save two files. One EPS10 from ai file
and one EPS8. Than you still can submit your graphic
on other sites without too much work, unless you
don't use transparencies or effect. Nothing change
until other sites upgrade to EPS10 too, which will
surely come soon. |
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mavrick
Joined: 20 Dec 2005
Posts: 2792
Location: colorado
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:49 pm
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| lirch wrote: | | Finally eps 8 is out. great news. |
talk to me goose...
tower, are we clear for a flyby? |
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akaiser
Joined: 09 Feb 2008
Posts: 2379
Location: Munich
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Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:36 am
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@David:
You're right, we're allowed to submit both ai8 and ai10 from Monday on. But later on the announcement states, that after a certain transition period, eps ai10 shall become the only format we'll be allowed to submit.
Noone knows, how long this transition period will last, but that's why we're discussing.
The important thing isn't the format itself anyways, but the question, whether we should make use of the additional options (transparencies and so on), eps ai10 offers. If we don't and go on working like we're used to, there won't be an issue anyways. Only if we do, we might have twice as much work when submitting to other agencies, too, and they probably won't be compatible to programs other than Illustrator.
Still I'm happy because of the new 15MB limit. *g |
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klauts
Joined: 08 Jul 2007
Posts: 410
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Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:31 am
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| Pierdelune wrote: |
Hi
very easy to save two files. One EPS10 from ai file
and one EPS8. Than you still can submit your graphic
on other sites without too much work, unless you
don't use transparencies or effect. Nothing change
until other sites upgrade to EPS10 too, which will
surely come soon. |
So basically you work more(save another file) for nothing(you don't use transparencies or effect). You're missing the point, it's not about how easy or hard is to save 2 files but about the redundancy involved since eps10 is backwards compatible with eps8. So why make it a requirment? Also another strong point is that eps10 does not translate well in other programs(Corel, Inkscape, etc.) so there are potential buyers that will be turned away by this fact.
Also about the change with other sites, don't forget that SS, while being a top earner for many, is far from being a monopoly, and there's also a yin in this yin-yang of microstock, a very big one(especially for vector graphics). Frankly, I'm still waiting for SS's response to the next year changes. |
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akaiser
Joined: 09 Feb 2008
Posts: 2379
Location: Munich
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Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:51 am
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| klauts wrote: |
Also another strong point is that eps10 does not translate well in other programs(Corel, Inkscape, etc.) so there are potential buyers that will be turned away by this fact. |
Eps ai10 itself or just in case you've used effects/transparencies, which aren't compatible with eps ai8? Sorry for the stupid question, but actually I've never worked with a program other than Illustrator. :)
And hi again, Claudiu! *g |
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winmaster
Joined: 23 Jul 2008
Posts: 379
Location: Czech Republic
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Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 5:57 am
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As someone post before Anja. It is not only the issue with version 10. For example gradient meshes created in AI won't be available in Corel and vise versa. Radial gradients may result in hunderds of small pieces. There are issues with EPS8 and remains with newer versions. And some more may occur, I don't know much about trancparency compatibility, I can make some experiment. |
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akaiser
Joined: 09 Feb 2008
Posts: 2379
Location: Munich
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Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 6:08 am
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Thanks for your reply, Vojtěch! :)
That's what I meant. If you use e.g. a radial gradient, the issues will be the same, regardless of the file format. That would mean, as long as you stick to those things, which worked with eps ai8 (or worked more or less well at least), the compatibility issues won't increase with eps ai10, but exactely stay the same?
Umm, maybe I'll download a version of Inkscape and make some experiments, too. (Won't buy Corel, tho. *g) |
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compuinfoto
Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Posts: 52
Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 6:45 am
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Coming back to the question asked before, what are the new options we can use with EPS 10 that we did not have with EPS8 ?
Transparancy,gradient, but what more ??
Compuinfoto |
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