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elaineb
Joined: 29 Dec 2008
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:02 pm
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Hello,
Many of my photos are rejected for one of noise, sharpening, film grain or arifacts. I would appreciate anyone who could help me to know which of these is the problem and how to fix it.
I clean my lens before shooting and blow off dust.
I shoot with light from a window coming from behind me. I use a big Home Depot light and aim it at the ceiling for extra light. I have issues getting enough light and this helps, but inconsistantly.
My photos are still on the dark side and so I use "auto tone " or "Instant Fix" on my Olypus Master program and this often works and photos are accepted.
Is it possible that auto tone or instant fix can add noise, grain, sharpening to a photo?
Thank you,
Elaine
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elaineb
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:03 pm
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hhltdave5

Joined: 20 Jun 2006
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Location: Our Stock, Food & Portrait photography books at www.rindersmithphotography.com
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:52 pm
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If you are editing a jpg image just about anything you do to that image will get some damage or suffer some loss to the quality of the image. That is why I do all my editing in a tiff format which will not degrade. I then convert it over to the jpg when I send it in, saving the tiff as my master.
Try to get the shot as perfect in the camera as you can. Make sure you are using the lowest ISO possible, have the correct exposure and I avoid using settings in my camera that add sharpness or saturation which can effect the image.
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knapjames

Joined: 24 Mar 2008
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Location: Canada, Calgary
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:38 pm
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As Dave metioned Tiff will not degrade. I do all of my editing using the RAW file, & save it as Tiff & Jpeg.
SS allows uploads in Tiff format as long as the files are smaller than 30mb.
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elaineb
Joined: 29 Dec 2008
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:13 pm
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Dear James and Dave,
Thanks for the advise. I don't know what Tiff is.
Is this a program to download?
I download my photos from my Olypus camera onto my Olymus Master program. How does one get the photos from there to Tiff?
I have noticed a raw option on my camera, but does this setting require knowledge for setting all posssible options of ISO , shutter speed, etc ( which I know little about ) . I usually use automatic setting.
Thanks,
Elaine
p.s What I was mostly wondering is if you would tell me which of the issues was primarily affecting my photos. Is it sharpness, noise or ?. I can't tell. When I enlarge my photo I can't see anything wrong with it. Can you?
Elaine
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elaineb
Joined: 29 Dec 2008
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:15 pm
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p.s Is Tiff like Photo Shop?
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digigandalf

Joined: 11 Jun 2005
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Location: Twinsburg, OH
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 3:12 pm
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Tiff is a file format, like jpeg, but unlike jpeg it is not a compressed format. In order to keep the file size smaller, jpeg compresses information, and every time you resave the file it compresses some more info, so that soon you have noticeable degradation (at least at 100% - do it enough times and it'll be seen even at smaller view sizes).
I don't know if Olympus Master has the Tiff format as an option or allows converting from Jpeg to Tiff. Poke around in the preferences or other menus to see. In Photoshop you can save a jpeg file as a tiff the first time you open it and then work on it from there.
But even in the Tiff file, drastic adjustments in levels or other areas can cause artifacts and noise. That's why getting the exposure right in the camera is important. A lot of people shoot RAW, since that format allows for more substantial adjustments without degradation, but even RAW has its limits. The best thing is to get the lighting and exposure as close to the desired result as you can when shooting.
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bred

Joined: 13 Jan 2008
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Location: Scotland
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:04 pm
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I would use a tripod and slow the shutter speed down to get the images better exposed in camera, thus requiring less alteration on the computer which can cause issues with noise. If you find you need to slow the shutter down quite a lot and the dog is no longer sharp due to movement at such speeds then I would suggest maintaining the faster speed but bouncing a flash off the ceiling for some additional light.
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rinder99

Joined: 12 Jul 2005
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Location: Stock,food,portrait books www.rindersmithphotography.com
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:13 pm
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| elaineb wrote: | | p.s Is Tiff like Photo Shop? |
Uh Oh.
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bred

Joined: 13 Jan 2008
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:22 pm
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lol Laurin.
Elaine, see here about TIFF files (it is a file type which you can save as in programs such as Photoshop): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tagged_Image_File_Format
Saving as a TIFF is regarded as a lossless to near lossless compression method but saving as TIFF will create some pretty big file sizes.
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jeffbanke

Joined: 18 Dec 2005
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Location: www.xlr8photo.com, The real California
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:35 pm
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| rinder99 wrote: | | elaineb wrote: | | p.s Is Tiff like Photo Shop? |
Uh Oh. |
LMAO!
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elaineb
Joined: 29 Dec 2008
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:25 pm
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| digigandalf wrote: | Tiff is a file format, like jpeg, but unlike jpeg it is not a compressed format. In order to keep the file size smaller, jpeg compresses information, and every time you resave the file it compresses some more info, so that soon you have noticeable degradation (at least at 100% - do it enough times and it'll be seen even at smaller view sizes).
I don't know if Olympus Master has the Tiff format as an option or allows converting from Jpeg to Tiff. Poke around in the preferences or other menus to see. In Photoshop you can save a jpeg file as a tiff the first time you open it and then work on it from there.
But even in the Tiff file, drastic adjustments in levels or other areas can cause artifacts and noise. That's why getting the exposure right in the camera is important. A lot of people shoot RAW, since that format allows for more substantial adjustments without degradation, but even RAW has its limits. The best thing is to get the lighting and exposure as close to the desired result as you can when shooting. |
Gandalf,
Thanks for explaining. I have used Zamzar to convert file types. I looked and they convert to Tiff. What remains to be seen is if I can edit it in Tiff format within Olypus Master .
I didn't know that re-saving reduced quality. Is this only when doing edit-resave or dose this happen also when copying and pasting files into different folders ( I hope not! ) .
I don't have photoshop. Have to keep expenses down.
Elaine
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elaineb
Joined: 29 Dec 2008
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:27 pm
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| bred wrote: | lol Laurin.
Elaine, see here about TIFF files (it is a file type which you can save as in programs such as Photoshop): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tagged_Image_File_Format
Saving as a TIFF is regarded as a lossless to near lossless compression method but saving as TIFF will create some pretty big file sizes. |
Thanks. When converting back to JPEG , does any compression happen ? or is that only something that happens when saving edits?
Elaine
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elaineb
Joined: 29 Dec 2008
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:29 pm
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| jeffbanke wrote: | | rinder99 wrote: | | elaineb wrote: | | p.s Is Tiff like Photo Shop? |
Uh Oh. |
LMAO! |
Hey! Come into my world of medicine and I might give you a snicker or two! Whooo.. talk about terminology!
Thanks.. it's all in fun!
Elaine
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elaineb
Joined: 29 Dec 2008
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:33 pm
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Thanks for all your help.
Still hoping for someone who would be able to tell me for the two photos posted, which of noise, artifacts, sharpening are affecting the photo.
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