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vt750


Joined: 11 Aug 2009
Posts: 7
Location: Luxembourg

Post Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:19 am     Reply with quote

Hi everyone
I am very surprissed and dissapointed, I have had a few images removed, after they had been accepted and even sold, of my motorbike. All logos were removed and there are many similar images on the site. The bike was customised and even an expert would have aproblem knowing the make, anyway is that a problem, there are many trucks aircraft cars etc on the site that I can identify.
vojtaheroutcom


Joined: 14 Aug 2008
Posts: 87
Location: Czech Republic

Post Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:29 am     Reply with quote

Same happened to me to today.
Already accepted file in my database was deleted and I got just e-mail saying:

We have removed the following images that you uploaded.
... deleted because: Quality
Control - Deleted per Legal, do not resubmit


Is this common? Coz it never happened to me during the year I am submitting photos here...

And will that happen more often now?
franckreporter


Joined: 27 Sep 2008
Posts: 189
Location: Italia

Post Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:29 am     Reply with quote

contact the help center
yarchyk


Joined: 01 May 2008
Posts: 67

Post Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:06 am     Reply with quote

Strange
hhltdave5


Joined: 20 Jun 2006
Posts: 20360
Location: Our Stock, Food & Portrait photography books at www.rindersmithphotography.com

Post Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:08 am     Reply with quote

This has happened to many people and has been mentioned in other places in the forums. It is a business decision that seems to have been made for Shutterstock's protection.

There is one thing that submitters need to understand when it comes to images of certain products and that is that protections covered by trademark/copyright are constantly changing. Because of this images that were once approved may now be a violation of those protections and for legal reasons the images are no longer acceptable.

There need not be a logo present or a name visible it can be something as simple as a shape or form. Ford did this when it cracked down on the usage of their images by stock and advertising agencies. Remember that you are taking, submitting and getting money for something that belongs to them. If you do not have their permission to use it then that can be a violation of the protections.

These protections are only getting more and more strict and stock companies are not going to be taking the chance of legal litigation when it comes to these matters so they will tighten up their policies regarding it.
vojtaheroutcom


Joined: 14 Aug 2008
Posts: 87
Location: Czech Republic

Post Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:31 am     Reply with quote

hhltdave5 wrote:
This has happened to many people and has been mentioned in other places in the forums. It is a business decision that seems to have been made for Shutterstock's protection.

There is one thing that submitters need to understand when it comes to images of certain products and that is that protections covered by trademark/copyright are constantly changing. Because of this images that were once approved may now be a violation of those protections and for legal reasons the images are no longer acceptable.

There need not be a logo present or a name visible it can be something as simple as a shape or form. Ford did this when it cracked down on the usage of their images by stock and advertising agencies. Remember that you are taking, submitting and getting money for something that belongs to them. If you do not have their permission to use it then that can be a violation of the protections.

These protections are only getting more and more strict and stock companies are not going to be taking the chance of legal litigation when it comes to these matters so they will tighten up their policies regarding it.


Well, that sounds understandable, what you write here.
In fact, on my picture there was motorbike as well. However I did a good job erasing all the things as logos and so on.
Just one other thing - why did they write to me it was deleted for quality reasons? I would rather accept "trademark/copyright change reason" than some "quality reason". And obviously - as it was once accepted - there was no problem with quality...
hhltdave5


Joined: 20 Jun 2006
Posts: 20360
Location: Our Stock, Food & Portrait photography books at www.rindersmithphotography.com

Post Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:31 am     Reply with quote

vojtaheroutcom wrote:
hhltdave5 wrote:
This has happened to many people and has been mentioned in other places in the forums. It is a business decision that seems to have been made for Shutterstock's protection.

There is one thing that submitters need to understand when it comes to images of certain products and that is that protections covered by trademark/copyright are constantly changing. Because of this images that were once approved may now be a violation of those protections and for legal reasons the images are no longer acceptable.

There need not be a logo present or a name visible it can be something as simple as a shape or form. Ford did this when it cracked down on the usage of their images by stock and advertising agencies. Remember that you are taking, submitting and getting money for something that belongs to them. If you do not have their permission to use it then that can be a violation of the protections.

These protections are only getting more and more strict and stock companies are not going to be taking the chance of legal litigation when it comes to these matters so they will tighten up their policies regarding it.


Well, that sounds understandable, what you write here.
In fact, on my picture there was motorbike as well. However I did a good job erasing all the things as logos and so on.
Just one other thing - why did they write to me it was deleted for quality reasons? I would rather accept "trademark/copyright change reason" than some "quality reason". And obviously - as it was once accepted - there was no problem with quality...


The reason it was deleted was not "quality" according to the reason they gave but rather "Quality Control." By deleting images that could cause potential problems they are "controlling" the site's content.
vorminbeeld


Joined: 29 Aug 2008
Posts: 84
Location: Netherlands

Post Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:53 am     Reply with quote

Same here. They deleted my best selling image because of legal reasons. It was a picture of a classic red Ford mustang convertible. Strange thing is that another picture of the same car is still available. I've sent a mail about this to Shutterstock. They answered that they gonna review other pictures as well. The car on my picture was from the seventies and is not produced anymore. Shutterstock answered that it is still protected by copyright and therefor it is not accepted anymore due to new rules. It's a pity that they didn't announced these new rules. New pictures of other classic cars which I've submitted were rejected. So I guess we can not submit cars anymore unless it's editorial. Probaly we can submit old cars and other vehicles which are free of copyright. I'm not familiar with that rules. Does anyone know?
hhltdave5


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Location: Our Stock, Food & Portrait photography books at www.rindersmithphotography.com

Post Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:59 am     Reply with quote

vorminbeeld wrote:
Same here. They deleted my best selling image because of legal reasons. It was a picture of a classic red Ford mustang convertible. Strange thing is that another picture of the same car is still available. I've sent a mail about this to Shutterstock. They answered that they gonna review other pictures as well. The car on my picture was from the seventies and is not produced anymore. Shutterstock answered that it is still protected by copyright and therefor it is not accepted anymore due to new rules. It's a pity that they didn't announced these new rules. New pictures of other classic cars which I've submitted were rejected. So I guess we can not submit cars anymore unless it's editorial. Probaly we can submit old cars and other vehicles which are free of copyright. I'm not familiar with that rules. Does anyone know?


I would estimate that there are probably tens of thousands of images of vehicles so it will probably take some time to go through them all and get them all deleted from the database. That is probably why you can still find some images left.

Shutterstock did make notification to us about the limitations of Ford images last March but it seems like the parameters have expanded to cover other vehicles as well.

http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=57357&highlight=ford

I think everyone should get used to this. These companies pay big bucks for their photo and ad layouts and they want to control how the images are used. That is why they are cracking down on stock sites that allow others to use images of their vehicles without permission.

The same thing is happening with buildings and homes. The days of those types of images being accepted are going away very quickly and I would say they are going to get even stricter. It's all about the companies protecting their brand.
vorminbeeld


Joined: 29 Aug 2008
Posts: 84
Location: Netherlands

Post Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:49 pm     Reply with quote

Thanks, This is from March. My image was accepted in June! I guess it slipped through.
gdlerner


Joined: 13 Feb 2006
Posts: 76

Post Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:19 am     Reply with quote

Same here. They deleted 5 image because of legal reasons
"deleted because: Quality Control - Deleted per Legal, do
not resubmit".The are some images I uploaded 3 years ago
paulprescott


Joined: 12 Mar 2008
Posts: 188

Post Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:28 am     Reply with quote

gdlerner wrote:
Same here. They deleted 5 image because of legal reasons
"deleted because: Quality Control - Deleted per Legal, do
not resubmit".The are some images I uploaded 3 years ago


I understand that they might delete some images for those reasons, but there is something called communication, or communique, down the lines:
Dear Contributors, we are now deleting all images of cars, etc. Thanks for your hard work in removing logos and isolating.

But no, just delete them and then cause disappointment...it is called management of expectations!

The result is the same, just the pill is easier to swallow.

My 38c worth!

Paulp
http://www.paulprescott.com
sumo


Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Posts: 201

Post Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:03 pm     Reply with quote

I can understand the need to be careful about "new" car images but images of cars 15-20 years old or older ?
come on thats just plain stupid to delete every image of a car on this ground.

I for my point wouldnt pay subscription for access to a site that has a whole subject matter missing. Not to mention if buildings are next and other such items.
If you go down that way youll end up with ONLY illustrations and then only of items and things nobody knows.

Canon, Nikon, Dell, HP, Compaq, kitchenaid etc all these companies can then on ground of this reasoning say
" hey that shape is a trademark of ours, we will sue you if you supply it."

This is a case of trademarks going to far and the lawers getting to much say in a matter that is at best a grey area if all trademarks and logos are removed.
Or do the trademarks of automobiles or other such products state that the shape of a car or product is part of the trademark ?
If that is the case I find it interesting that every carmaker isnt sueing each other since most types of cars today look the same more or less.
terrymr


Joined: 21 Dec 2008
Posts: 78

Post Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:22 pm     Reply with quote

The statute applying copyright protection to buildings (after 1990) specifically allows “making, distributing, or public display of [pictorial representations] of the work, if the building in which the work is embodied is located in or ordinarily visible from a public place.” 17 U.S.C. § 120(a)

So the only concern from a Photographers point of view is that of trademarks or artistic works (other than the building) visible in the photograph.
gdlerner


Joined: 13 Feb 2006
Posts: 76

Post Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:33 pm     Reply with quote

I still don t understand,the ares a new law?,they deleted already 5 from my gallery
 
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