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pling


Joined: 07 Jan 2005
Posts: 112
Location: www.hoodesigns.com
Post Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:01 am     Reply with quote

Admin,

I am from non treaty country, do i need to fill up this W-8BEN form?

If yes, below are what i plan to submit, is this correct?

part I
1. Name
2. leave empty
3. Select Individual
6. leave empty
7. leave empty
8. leave empty

part II
9. leave it as it is
10. leave it as it is

part III
11. leave empty
part IV: signature
mackin43
 Site Admin


Joined: 20 Mar 2008
Posts: 427
Post Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:17 am     Reply with quote

Hi pling,

You are absolutely correct. Thank you.

-jm

pling wrote:
Admin,

I am from non treaty country, do i need to fill up this W-8BEN form?

If yes, below are what i plan to submit, is this correct?

part I
1. Name
2. leave empty
3. Select Individual
6. leave empty
7. leave empty
8. leave empty

part II
9. leave it as it is
10. leave it as it is

part III
11. leave empty
part IV: signature
pling


Joined: 07 Jan 2005
Posts: 112
Location: www.hoodesigns.com
Post Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:31 am     Reply with quote

thanks JM! will submit now.
qushe


Joined: 27 Jan 2009
Posts: 16
Location: Singapore
Post Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:34 am     Reply with quote

I'm from non treaty country also.

Should I have to submit the W-8BEN form?

If I don't submit it, what will happen?

pling wrote:
thanks JM! will submit now.
exploretimor


Joined: 08 Apr 2006
Posts: 4
Location: israel
Post Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:46 pm     Reply with quote

qushe wrote:
I'm from non treaty country also.

Should I have to submit the W-8BEN form?

If I don't submit it, what will happen?

pling wrote:
thanks JM! will submit now.


I am from a treaty country but live in a non treaty country (cambodia) what will happen it i do nothing.
Also a question I am sure a lot of people are asking.
WHY should A NON AMERICAN living outside America have to pay American tax?
mackin43
 Site Admin


Joined: 20 Mar 2008
Posts: 427
Post Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:23 am     Reply with quote

If you do nothing, the 30% withholding will apply from US-based downloads.

exploretimor wrote:
qushe wrote:
I'm from non treaty country also.

Should I have to submit the W-8BEN form?

If I don't submit it, what will happen?

pling wrote:
thanks JM! will submit now.


I am from a treaty country but live in a non treaty country (cambodia) what will happen it i do nothing.
Also a question I am sure a lot of people are asking.
WHY should A NON AMERICAN living outside America have to pay American tax?
bramalia


Joined: 02 Mar 2008
Posts: 161
Location: Buenos Aires
Post Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:59 am     Reply with quote

And if you do it, what do you pay?
tiberius


Joined: 23 Dec 2004
Posts: 25
Post Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:53 am     Reply with quote

bramalia wrote:
And if you do it, what do you pay?


And what benefits do I have paying it?
PaulCowan


Joined: 24 Feb 2005
Posts: 1530
Post Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:45 am     Reply with quote

No benefit at all if you are in a non-treaty country.

Even when I move back to a "treaty" country I probably won't bother with it, because the loss to me seems to be about 5% of my monthly income and the cost of processing it may well outweigh the saving.
exploretimor


Joined: 08 Apr 2006
Posts: 4
Location: israel
Post Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:43 pm     Reply with quote

mackin43 wrote:
If you do nothing, the 30% withholding will apply from US-based downloads.

exploretimor wrote:
qushe wrote:
I'm from non treaty country also.

Should I have to submit the W-8BEN form?

If I don't submit it, what will happen?

pling wrote:
thanks JM! will submit now.


I am from a treaty country but live in a non treaty country (cambodia) what will happen if i do nothing.
Also a question I am sure a lot of people are asking.
WHY should A NON AMERICAN living outside America have to pay American tax?


Hi there again,
You did not answer the rest of my question.
Why should a non American living outside the USA pay American taxes?

And another question is why are my other stock agents not asking for the same information??

Thanks for your help
PaulCowan


Joined: 24 Feb 2005
Posts: 1530
Post Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:09 am     Reply with quote

I am not a company official so this is not an SS statement but having followed the discussions on this I am pretty sure that this is roughly correct:

First question: The reason is that US law (apparently) requires US companies to pay tax on sales made in the US on behalf of a foreign entity. So Shutterstock believes it will break the law if it doesn't do this.

Second question: The US law is complicated, it doesn't apply to agencies not based in the US (some agencies are Canada-based, for example) and within the US there still seem to be differences of interpretation. SS is applying the regulations in accordance with the legal advice it has received.

I deal with two US based trad agencies and both of them deduct tax from me. It's an unfortunate business cost of doing business through a US agent.

And surely Israel has a tax deal with the US that would exempt you from this?
 
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