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LuvThatVert:)


Joined: 07 Mar 2005
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Post Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 3:11 pm     Reply with quote

Talk me out of buying:
Canon 30D + EF 70-200 f2.8L IS USM.
If you have a better combination sugestion[less expensive].

I considered buying the XTi to save money and I admit tempted by the 10.1 mp, but I am afraid they will be too small & light with above lense. I only own the kit lense.

My old 6.2mp Rebel quit at 24,687 Clicks this week.
I believe I will be able to use the same CF Card but not the batteries.
Sam


Last edited by LuvThatVert:) on Mon Dec 25, 2006 6:38 am; edited 1 time in total
skynesher


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Post Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 4:04 pm     Reply with quote

well if you realy want it , ok.

you can buy canon 350d + canon 80-200 f2.8 L , they both you can find for about 1000$ and your choise was about 2600$ , and combo 350d + 80-200 will give you sharper images wide open , and it will have nicer color and maybe little better bokeh , and it cost less than half..

but you know that you will louse USM focus , 30d body had little better af (but not fantastic) , no IS so handhald in lower light can be problem......

but in end i am sure that 350d + 80-200 will give you better pictures (you will need to work just a bit little harder).

image taken with 80-200 wide open (f2.8) and 350d:
http://www.pbase.com/skynesher/image/63103115/original
http://www.pbase.com/skynesher/image/69821113/original

all best
kristian
dellison


Joined: 02 Aug 2006
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Location: California City, CA

Post Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 4:20 pm     Reply with quote

If you can afford it buy the best you can. Otherwise you will end up replacing it in the future. Oh - another way to look at this - if this is a hobby buy the cheaper stuff. If you look at this as a business buy the pro stuff. (I am not a Canon guy so I don't know if the 30D is pro, I do know L series is pro Canon glass though).
LuvThatVert:)


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Post Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 4:32 pm     Reply with quote

skynesher wrote:
well if you realy want it , ok.

you can buy canon 350d + canon 80-200 f2.8 L , they both you can find for about 1000$ and your choise was about 2600$ , and combo 350d + 80-200 will give you sharper images wide open , and it will have nicer color and maybe little better bokeh , and it cost less than half.....

all best
kristian


Thanks kristian and dellison.
Well I do really want the EF 70-200 f2.8L IS USM lense.

The camera is what I am undecided because they feel too small & light and my inexperience in diserning how much of a professional camera I will get by going more expensive than my 6.2 Rebel.
skynesher


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Post Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 4:47 pm     Reply with quote

LuvThatVert:) wrote:
skynesher wrote:
well if you realy want it , ok.

you can buy canon 350d + canon 80-200 f2.8 L , they both you can find for about 1000$ and your choise was about 2600$ , and combo 350d + 80-200 will give you sharper images wide open , and it will have nicer color and maybe little better bokeh , and it cost less than half.....

all best
kristian


Thanks kristian and dellison.
Well I do really want the EF 70-200 f2.8L IS USM lense.

The camera is what I am undecided because they feel too small & light and my inexperience in diserning how much of a professional camera I will get by going more expensive than my 6.2 Rebel.


i understand you about the size of 350d its realy too small , but for me 30d didnt give much more as the price difference is , but its just me.

but if you are buying 70-200mm f2.8 L IS please chek the lens before you buy , as there is many soft copies wide open , you realy dont want soft copy , it will need way more sharpening , which will bring more noise and trouble begin ...

my advice is to took shot at f2.8 and f5.6 and if there isnt or is very very little difference (at full size) then its ok , if it looks soft compared to f5.6 than try next copy...

all best
kristian
lilcrazyfuzzy


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Post Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 4:49 pm     Reply with quote

LuvThatVert:) wrote:
Talk me out of buying:


nah, i'm not talking you out, you have a nice hat: you buy anything you want.
supertramp


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Post Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 5:18 pm     Reply with quote

Got the 70-200mm IS. Great lens. But have you looked at the new f4L IS version? MTF chart shows it to be very promising.

Also, take a closer look at the 5D. Even more MPs and way less noise.
fleitao


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Post Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 5:20 pm     Reply with quote

Hi...

I had a 70-200 F4 and it was an awesome lens... the 2.8 IS i guess it can only be better :)

As for the 30D, i like it... i have a 20D and don't feel the need to change it for the 30D because it doesn't have that much added value, but from a 300D the difference is huge, not only in functions, but in size, dials and commands also...

As for the size, my hand are not that big (at all) but i always feel that the 350D and now the 400D are for kids... i can't get used to something that small...

The 30D has a good size.... and for a couple hundred bucks you can buy the grip (i did that) which gives you a very nice balance to the whole camera as well as "infinite" battery time and the handy portrait controls...

That would be a possible choice for me... so, i can't talk you out of it... It's an excellent camera if you can't go for the 5D.

edit: By the way, i'm not 100% sure, but i guess the batteries for the 30D are the same as the ones for the 300D. Their power is different, but they work with both cameras. Canon makes many of these "props" compatible... It's Nikon who makes 10 cameras and has 10 equally shaped batteries that only work with ONE model... bah


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vanhart


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Post Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 5:21 pm     Reply with quote

The lens is a definite buy, sure thing that you will
never need to upgrade that one!

Have a 20D myself (and that lens) and I am very happy about it.
A friend recently bought the 30D and I would really enjoy the
RGB histograms and the larger LCD screen. Bodies and
sensors will evolve rapidly, the last 2 Megapixels is not going
to dramatically change your image!
mikeledray


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Location: Southern California

Post Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 6:30 pm     Reply with quote

LuvThatVert:) wrote:
Talk me out of buying:
Canon 30D + EF 70-200 f2.8L IS USM.
If you have a better combination sugestion[less expensive].

I considered buying the XTi to save money and I admit tempted by the 10.1 mp, but I am afraid they will be too small & light with above lense. I only own the kit lense.

My old 6.2mp Rebel quit at 24,687 Clicks this week.
I believe I will be able to use the same CF Card but not the batteries.
Sam


Sam
I have the good ol 10D and the 70-200 f2.8 is usm and absolutly LOVE IT!
check out my latest in my gallery to view some of my latest shots
Merry Christmas
Mike
dellison


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Location: California City, CA

Post Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 11:20 pm     Reply with quote

fleitao wrote:
Hi...
edit: By the way, i'm not 100% sure, but i guess the batteries for the 30D are the same as the ones for the 300D. Their power is different, but they work with both cameras. Canon makes many of these "props" compatible... It's Nikon who makes 10 cameras and has 10 equally shaped batteries that only work with ONE model... bah


Hmm - Not sure what you are talking about because there are basically two batteries for Nikon DSLRs... One for the D50, D70, D70s, D80, D100, and D200 and another for the D2H, D2Hs, D2X, and D2Xs. I use the same batteries for my D200 and D70. Hopefully one day I will buy a D2Xs and have to upgrade my batteries!
LuvThatVert:)


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Post Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 8:38 am     Reply with quote

Thanks everyone. I am out to the stores again [lots of trafic out there today].
I'll post what I got.
fleitao


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Post Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 8:41 am     Reply with quote

dellison wrote:
fleitao wrote:
Hi...
edit: By the way, i'm not 100% sure, but i guess the batteries for the 30D are the same as the ones for the 300D. Their power is different, but they work with both cameras. Canon makes many of these "props" compatible... It's Nikon who makes 10 cameras and has 10 equally shaped batteries that only work with ONE model... bah


Hmm - Not sure what you are talking about because there are basically two batteries for Nikon DSLRs... One for the D50, D70, D70s, D80, D100, and D200 and another for the D2H, D2Hs, D2X, and D2Xs. I use the same batteries for my D200 and D70. Hopefully one day I will buy a D2Xs and have to upgrade my batteries!


Well,

I have a friend of mine who is all Nikon and once told me this. He told me that he couldn't use his D70 batteries on his new D200... Not sure what's true anymore, maybe he was wrong, as i'm a Canon user i believed him !!

Regds
lilcrazyfuzzy


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Location: Freiburg im Breisgau, Germany

Post Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 9:26 am     Reply with quote

D200 and D80 have a battery with 3 barrets
you can use the battery in a D50/D70 but not the other way around. that 3rd barret is used for the exact metering of the level of the battery (in percentage)
jeffbanke


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Post Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 12:02 pm     Reply with quote

I went into Ritz just a week or so ago and was told the same thing as Cyril is stating. I have the D70s and am considering buying the 200, because it uses the same CF cards, and D80 does not, it uses SD like the D50.
The Nikon D200 battery is useable in the D70, but not the other way round, because of the added feature that the D200 battery has. Possibly in a pinch one might be able to use the D70 battery, but would not have the battery life feature?
 
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