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boogieelephant
Joined: 05 Dec 2009
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:29 pm
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I was struggling for several month with my D5000 trying to get images to look as good as on D40 camera, no success.
I suspect that all Nikon CMOS based cameras have that specific fuzziness(not noise and not camera shake), that unpleasant feel to pictures. Even newest D7000 has it.
I finally decided to sell my D5000 and upgrade to older CCD based camera(D50 most likely). From current Nikon production I'd probably consider only D3000.
Can anyone else see the difference between photographs taken with CMOS and CCD sensors?
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turboal1960

Joined: 11 Dec 2008
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Location: Argentina
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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:30 pm
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For doing a fair evaluation, the only way is compare sensors of the same MP and size. The other question is if the sensor has anti-aliasing filter or not. The filter eliminates the artifacts, bur it takes a toll on resolution.
In my brand (Pentax) I use a K200 (10MP CCD based) and a Kx (12MP CMOS based, probably wit a very soft anti-aliasing filter).
The images from the CCD camera are a bit more soft and creamy. The CMOS one has more resolution power; sometimes the image is a bit harder. I do not know if it is for the sensor or for the anti-aliasing. Both cameras can produce nice images, completely useful. It depends on light and post processing.
Leica use a CCD on his M9. Sure they had done more evaluations than we can do.
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boogieelephant
Joined: 05 Dec 2009
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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:22 pm
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Thanks turboal1960, I didn't know about antialias filters.
I found page that shows exactly what I meant.
http://maxmax.com/nikon_d200hr.htm
My D5000's antialiasing drives me nuts :)
Based on people's feedback I found online, D70 has the least amount of antialiasing(now it's my primary candidate to replace D5000).
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greenfield54

Joined: 21 Jun 2009
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Location: Philippines
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Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 4:33 am
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I believe the only reason for the switch from CCD to CMOS is due to the fact that the latter has faster response and lower power consumption. Though traditionally it is well known that CMOS based devices are more sensitive to static electricity. I used to use CMOS integrated circuits and it's very easy to destroy one by the mere touch of a static charged finger. Image enhancement is now mostly achieved by software rather than hardware/firmware.
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rinder99

Joined: 12 Jul 2005
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Location: Contact www.rinderart.com/Books and Workshops www.rindersmithphotography.com Youtube/rinder
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Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 4:59 pm
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Im a fan of fovean chips and they were supposed to take over but never did. And you really Like the 15 generation Older D70? wow. I had 2 and I owned or shot every nikon Made including all the digital cameras . i thought The d70 was the worst noise machine I ever used. For my Money the 3 top Nikon DSLRS were the D2H,D1x and the old D100. Image quality wise. And my D3 is Pretty good also.The D2H was a powerhouse machine gun.
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boogieelephant
Joined: 05 Dec 2009
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Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:18 pm
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thanks for reply rinder99, what do you think about image quality of D40?
I used to have D40 and realized how much I liked it after I sold it.
I primarily take photos for personal use and overall "feel" of an image is very important to me.
I just wanted to find out why I like D40,
probably it's combination of sensor, antialiasing filter and software.
And I really liked samples from D1x at imagingresorce.com
Since D1x's are cheap, I might consider buying one.
and certainly getting D40 back :)
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greenfield54

Joined: 21 Jun 2009
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Location: Philippines
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Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:16 am
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| boogieelephant wrote: | thanks for reply rinder99, what do you think about image quality of D40?
I used to have D40 and realized how much I liked it after I sold it.
I primarily take photos for personal use and overall "feel" of an image is very important to me.
I just wanted to find out why I like D40,
probably it's combination of sensor, antialiasing filter and software.
And I really liked samples from D1x at imagingresorce.com
Since D1x's are cheap, I might consider buying one.
and certainly getting D40 back :) |
Pardon for butting in. I have both the D40 and the D1x. I use the D40 with my bellows extension for macro and the D1x for everything else. The downside with the D1x are the batteries since they use NiMh. To get around it, I converted to lithium ion using part no. 18650 Sanyo batteries.
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boogieelephant
Joined: 05 Dec 2009
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Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:53 pm
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greenfield54, did you have to buy another charger or original one works with Li ion battery?
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greenfield54

Joined: 21 Jun 2009
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Location: Philippines
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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:40 am
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| boogieelephant wrote: | | greenfield54, did you have to buy another charger or original one works with Li ion battery? |
Yes I bought a new charger. The Sanyo part no. 18650 is used in flashlights. Using instructions floating around in the internet, I converted one battery pack (the only one I had) and used it as a battery tray. I bought an ultrafire multi charger and simply took out the batteries for charging. You can convert more than one EN-4 battery pack ready for use but as I said, the batteries needs to be taken out of each pack for charging. Note that I intentionally left the image size of the attachment so you can view it using photoshop in more detail.
Another thing to remember. Buy the batteries without the buttons at the ends. This is the type that is used to repack laptop batteries. The ones used for flashlights (or torches) are a bit longer and may not fit in the EN-4 casing.
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boogieelephant
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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:33 pm
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greenfield54, thanks for thorough explanation.
You guys helped me greatly. I've learned many new things about digital cameras.
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