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stucorlett
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 7:56 pm
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I have had a large batch rejected for incorrect keywords. Shots of a young man at a railway line. Most images rejected for incorrect keywords or "not in English".
So here are the keywords and a thumb of a sample problem image is attached.
Here are the keywords relating to this image. Man; masculine; male; handsome; model; strong; tough; lifestyle; strength; success; blond; beard; teen; teenager; style; music; fashion; portrait; person; human; rail; railway; train.
What am I doing wrong here? They seem pretty clear and possibly generic if you ask me.
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curtpickens
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:24 pm
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| stucorlett wrote: | I have had a large batch rejected for incorrect keywords. Shots of a young man at a railway line. Most images rejected for incorrect keywords or "not in English".
So here are the keywords and a thumb of a sample problem image is attached.
Here are the keywords relating to this image. Man; masculine; male; handsome; model; strong; tough; lifestyle; strength; success; blond; beard; teen; teenager; style; music; fashion; portrait; person; human; rail; railway; train.
What am I doing wrong here? They seem pretty clear and possibly generic if you ask me. |
Well I don't see anything pertaining to Music for one thing in that image, also success,style,fashion, or train .
Your kidding us here right ?
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stucorlett
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:12 pm
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Success and style and fashion are all generic words. I would say they reflect something of what the image is trying to reflect. They are abstract concepts and up to the viewer. To me he looks successful, fashionable and stylish.... obviously not your view... but hey... whatever. Train.... those are railway tracks in the background..... Music; I think the image fits a blues/modern rock even country theme at the tracks and would suit an album cover or brochure or something similar..... most of the other images he also had a guitar so I would concede I could have tidied up that one word...
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dzain
Joined: 21 Jan 2007
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Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:32 am
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only music doesn't fit
you could add 'jeans' and 't-shirt'
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stucorlett
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:36 am
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Good Idea for Jeans and t-shirt! Thanks
I guess the issue is that keywords are so subjective, do rejections just depend on if the reviewer is having a bad day or not? Or how about just not enough coffee? Spose they get bored too...
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mrslevite
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Location: Dover, DE
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:59 am
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| stucorlett wrote: | | Success and style and fashion are all generic words. I would say they reflect something of what the image is trying to reflect. They are abstract concepts and up to the viewer. |
I guess it's a matter of where you're coming from. When I think Success, Style, or Fashion, I don't expect to see this image. But if you are going to include concept keywords, you need to include the keyword 'concept'.
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perrush
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Location: Belgium
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:35 pm
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Although music and train don't belong there, I don't find it that bad (there are much worse examples out there).
one rule :
Only use keywords of thing WHICH YOU SEE in your image. Don't try to guess what your image can be used at. Because if so, you could use : campaign, greeting card, billboard, CD cover, ... ect ...
But I must admit, I'm not free of sins either ;-|
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veinglory
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:55 pm
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Music is music, and it isn't there. Ditto train. Conceptually I don't see croaching in jeans by a railway track as terribly successful either. And if I was seeking "masculine" this would also not be it.
As a customer this sort of thing drives me crazy.
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dononeg
Joined: 10 Feb 2006
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Location: New Jersey (USA)
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:34 pm
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I notice that you have used semi-colons between your keywords. I always use commas. Don’t know if this makes a difference.
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stucorlett
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:50 pm
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I think semi colons are standard for many other stock sites I sell with. Maybe not Shutterstock? I put keywords in the metadata fields before upload
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dzain
Joined: 21 Jan 2007
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Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:07 pm
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| perrush wrote: | | Only use keywords of thing WHICH YOU SEE in your image. |
That won't be enough sometimes when you must come to 7 words at least. I posted a picture of 2 baby goats lying in straw: the only thing you see on that are 2 goats and straw, with the words 'yellow' and 'white' you come only to 4. So I included, farm, stable, springtime, milk, cheese etc. etc. And it was okay.
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LuvThatVert:)
Joined: 07 Mar 2005
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Location: Miami FL USA. 638 days to retire, I'm begining to feel fear of being retired.
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:47 pm
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| stucorlett wrote: |
...do rejections just depend on if the reviewer is having a bad day or not? Or how about just not enough coffee? Spose they get bored too... |
Yes, yes and yes to the above question.
They must of had a good day, had the proper amt of coffee and were not bored since they spoted the bad keywords tough; lifestyle; strength; success; style; music; fashion; train.
How abt: young, youth, adolescent, juvenile, minor, youngster, kid, inexperience, junior, underage, "young adult", "joung man", boyish, boy, lad, male, squat, crouch.
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mdegrood
Joined: 08 Oct 2006
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Location: Arizona
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:47 pm
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| dzain wrote: | | perrush wrote: | | Only use keywords of thing WHICH YOU SEE in your image. |
That won't be enough sometimes when you must come to 7 words at least. I posted a picture of 2 baby goats lying in straw: the only thing you see on that are 2 goats and straw, with the words 'yellow' and 'white' you come only to 4. So I included, farm, stable, springtime, milk, cheese etc. etc. And it was okay. |
goat,farm animal,straw,bedding,hay,resting,baby,kid,young,livestock,newborn,animal,billy goat
I surely do not understand what success, fashion, train and music have to to with the above photo since none apply.
Marlene
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veinglory
Joined: 23 Feb 2005
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:52 pm
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Nobody milks a baby goat. There are always enough relevant key words--no need to start adding weird stuff. If a customer types milk, the want milk, not a goat--thank you.
goat, kid, baby, young, livestock, farm animal, straw, specific goat breed, etc etc is quite sifficient.
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Forgiss
Joined: 16 Mar 2005
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Location: For videos of our shoots: http://forgiss.libsyn.com
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:59 am
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Don't add keywords for an image that isn't there!!!
The only time you should add conceptual keywords is if the image specifically portrays a concept, and was shot with that concept in mind.
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