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ajancso

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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:58 pm
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| markrhiggins wrote: | | if your plane leaves at noon I would rather stay at Santa Monica than near Death Valley. Normally you need to be there a bit before for check in. Santa Barbara you can check out Venice beach and the scenery from the jetty. Very nice. Towards sunset I saw a rainbow with dolphins flipping out of the water and seals there - incredible scene > my camera was back at the hotel room, very amusing for my wife. |
Thanks, but i am leaving from Las Vegas, not LA. |
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markrhiggins
Joined: 28 Jan 2008
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Location: Australia
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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:02 pm
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Sorry misread. Have not seen the "o". You will have a great time. Las Vegas is easier to get to than LA lol. Especially for me. I normally drive on the left hand side of the road. |
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rinder99

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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:27 pm
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"Am I crazy to cram all these things in such a short time? Is my family going to kill me?
Yes.It's big out there. |
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triceratops

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Location: The other Nevada
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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:31 pm
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Watch out for jet lag if you plan on driving all the way from LA to the Grand Canyon the same day that you arrive. Also, if you don't stay in the park, I'd suggest Williams instead of Flagstaff. Both are on I-40 but Williams is somewhat further west than Flag.
I don't know why, but I thought you were getting into LA late on Monday. I see now you are getting in early. Also, be advised that the 20th is a holiday in the US (President's day). May or may not affect traffic and available services. |
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jeffbanke

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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:48 pm
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I recently did the trip from LA to LV, takes most of the day even at higher than legal speeds (75-80 MPH). We left at about 9 AM arrived in LV at about 5PM.
It will take a complete day to do the loop from LV through Death Valley, and you are going to spend most of the time driving, you will not be at any cool place at the right time of day to get great shots.
Grand Canyon is virtually impossible to get to in one day from LA without killing yourself and your family especially after the Jet lag.
Valley of Fire is only an hour from LV, possible to get there as the sun rises next day.
Here are a few images from Death Valley at the right time of day, sunrise or Sunset :-)
you may see some wildlife like the Coyotes
Valley of fire looks like this

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digigandalf

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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:03 pm
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| ajancso wrote: | Thanks Guys.
I hate the fact that I have so little time. Looking at the driving distances and considering the things I would like to see (at least those I know about...again open to suggestions), I have this tentative itinerary:
- Arrive LA Feb 20 am
- Drive to Grand Canyon (probably Flagstaff)
- Feb 21 Grand Canyon the whole day. Sleep in Flagstaff (or inside the park if there is availability )
- Feb 22 Grand Canyon (am). Afternoon drive to Zion. Sleep in Zion
- Feb 23 during day Zion, afternoon drive to Las Vegas.
- Sleep Feb 23 in LV
- Feb 24 early am drive to Death Valley. Spend day in Death Valley. Sleep in Death Valley.
- 25 am drive back to LV
- Plane leaves at noon
Am I crazy to cram all these things in such a short time? Is my family going to kill me? |
The drive from the South Rim of the Grand Canyon to Zion will be at least 5 hours. So unless you leave early in the morning, it may dark by the time you get to Zion. Could take longer, depending on the weather. Give yourself plenty of time for that. |
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jeffbanke

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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:09 pm
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Zion looks like this
Bryce is even further from GC, but looks like this
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rinder99

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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:18 pm
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Come back when you have 2 weeks to shoot.
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jeffbanke

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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:24 pm
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| rinder99 wrote: | | Come back when you have 2 weeks to shoot. |
You are right, although about 6 months is needed to catch all the seasons :-) |
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mikenorton

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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:46 pm
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My advise would be to pick out one of these places and spend all your non travel time there. With 3 days in one place you stand a chance of getting a good sunrise or sunset on one of the days. If you are traveling from place to place you won't have the time to properly scout a location and you are less likely to be in the right spot at the right time. I always try to stay for at least a week in one spot before traveling to the next spot. Zion would probably be the place I would recommend. There is plenty of diverse scenery to keep you occupied for 3 days. There is also food and lodging in the park.
If you go to Toroweap remember that there is only one campground, about 20 campsites as I remember, and it fills up fast. It will take about 3 hours to get there after you leave the pavement. There are no services, food, gas, water, or motels. If you drive out there in the middle of the night so you can shoot at sunrise be sure not to be caught sleeping in your car at the View Point's parking lot. The rangers check the parking lot in the night and they will ticket you and tell you to leave the park! The Rangers are not kindly Naturalists they are Police men who will take you to jail if you don't obey them. I would not recommend going there unless you plan to stay and camp for a few days. The drive out there is just too long to do both ways in one day, unless you want to shoot at noon.
Good luck and have a good time! |
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djamesbradley
Joined: 14 Feb 2009
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:41 am
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| ajancso wrote: | Thanks Guys.
- Arrive LA Feb 20 am
- Drive to Grand Canyon (probably Flagstaff)
- Feb 21 Grand Canyon the whole day. Sleep in Flagstaff (or inside the park if there is availability )
- Feb 22 Grand Canyon (am). Afternoon drive to Zion. Sleep in Zion
- Feb 23 during day Zion, afternoon drive to Las Vegas.
- Sleep Feb 23 in LV
- Feb 24 early am drive to Death Valley. Spend day in Death Valley. Sleep in Death Valley.
- 25 am drive back to LV
- Plane leaves at noon
Am I crazy to cram all these things in such a short time? Is my family going to kill me? |
Unless you have an incredibly patient family, they are going to kill you. That is a hell of a lot of driving in a very short time frame. I live in LA and drove through Flagstaff last spring on my way to Arches National Park in Utah. Alone, 75 m/p/hr with few stops, and it took me 7 hours to Flagstaff. Flagstaff to the south rim is an hour. From the south rim to the north rim is at least four hours, probably 5, and then another 2-3 to Zion.
Martin Luther King Jr. weekend last year I did Death Valley and Las Vegas. Death Valley is most likely 3 hours from Vegas unless you hit no traffic and speed (15 miles an hour above) the whole way. And that's just to get to the border of the park, whether the southern or mid eastern point. It is a large park and to hit the classic scenic spots - Dante's Peak, Badwater, Mesquite Dunes, Zabriskie Point, Devil's Golf Course, and Scotty's Castle - requires much driving, at least 4 hours.
My advice is one of two choices:
1) Do the Grand Canyon and Zion while omitting Death Valley for another time. From the Grand Canyon to Zion you will pass through or close to a number of very picturesque areas (Bryce Canyon and Escalante National Monument with its famous Coyote Gulch to name only two). Southern Utah and Northern Arizona are places you could spend a lifetime photographing. I think that an advance reservation with the national park system is necessary for Coyote Gulch. I've heard a few months in advance, but if you show up on any random morning I'm sure it's very likely that some spots will have opened up - especially this slow time of the year.
2) From Los Angeles, drive up I-15 and hit the Mojave National Preservation before heading up to Death Valley. The Mojave Preservation has the densest stand of Joshua Trees in the world and the second highest dune in North America (in the very accessible Kelso Dunes). The highest dune is in Death Valley in the far northern region near Scotty's Castle. The town of Baker is an entry point for the Preservation and also a junction for the highway leading to the southern entrance or the halfway point on the eastern side of Death Valley. After Death Valley, use Vegas as your camping point, and from there visit Red Rock Canyon, Nevada (about 25 miles west) and The Valley of Fire (about 50 miles north). The Hoover Dam (about 35 miles east)is also scenic.
There's my two cents. Hope it helps. I wrote it before reading Mike Norton's post. Hopefully I didn't waste my time. |
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rinder99

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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:57 am
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Been all through that area a 100 times since I was a kid. Come back when you can slow down and enjoy it. |
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jhuls

Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:17 am
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I am from this area, Zions might be worth it but there may be closures for snow although we haven't had much this year. You could also go to the south rim of the grand canyon(the north rim will be closed) but the south rim is quite a drive it will be hours out of your way and I don't know how much time you will have.
Bryce is cool but it will be snowy and the roads may be closed.
The photos posted were not taken in February you will have a much different and snowier scene, not that it won't be beautiful just not what you see in the photos. |
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ajancso

Joined: 18 May 2009
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:07 am
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Thanks Mark, Chris, Russ, Laurin, Jeff, Ken, Mike, James and Jenn - some very good and WISE suggestions here. I guess I did not know what I was getting myself in here. Looks like I will have to cut down.
On the other hand, since this is more a family vacation and not a photographic expedition I cannot expect to be able to properly scout the locations and just hope to be at the right place at the right time.
Thanks! |
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copidosoma

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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:34 am
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All info above is good. I guess I should have made the toroweap trip sound more like the adventure it is.
We drove through this area for a week last spring and it really was nowhere near enough time to see everything. Some of these areas (death valley for example) you could easily spend a week or two in and not run out of things to see.
My wife and I are horrible for trying to see too much on trips. So from one who knows ... Take the above recommendations to heart, cut your list of things to do and see down and enjoy what you do see more (and get way better photos in the process). Good for your portfolio, your driving muscles and probably your marriage. |
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