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semmickphoto
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Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:51 pm
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Hi all,
I have a few questions about this photo.
1. Is this photo acceptable without a property release?
2. Is this photo acceptable without a model release? Non of the people are recognisable.
3. Is this photo acceptable in terms of lighting? I cannot light up a library. This is the actual lighting in the room
4. Some people have motion blur, is that acceptable?
I have an email from the concierge of the Library confirming I am allowed to take the photos.
Thanks
Ron
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copidosoma
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Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:17 pm
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Any of those people could probably identify themselves so a model release is a must.
Likely need a property release as well as it is an interior shot (although I don't know exactly what the policy is for public buildings).
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greenfield54
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Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:23 pm
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If something newsworthy was going on at the time of the shoot then a release is not necessary as far as the people are concerned. Since you have permission, why not take a model posing as a researcher and shoot? But you'll have to be stealthy with your equipment. I bet once they see a tripod and lighting equipment they'll start to object. So make that clear with the authorities.
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semmickphoto
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Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:26 pm
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| copidosoma wrote: | Any of those people could probably identify themselves so a model release is a must.
Likely need a property release as well as it is an interior shot (although I don't know exactly what the policy is for public buildings). |
Yeah, I was afraid of that. No way I can get model releases. Too bad, its a great photo. I was allowed on the balcony to take photos. The public is not allowed there.
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semmickphoto
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Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:26 pm
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| greenfield54 wrote: | | If something newsworthy was going on at the time of the shoot then a release is not necessary as far as the people are concerned. Since you have permission, why not take a model posing as a researcher and shoot? But you'll have to be stealthy with your equipment. I bet once they see a tripod and lighting equipment they'll start to object. So make that clear with the authorities. |
Unfortunately nothing news worthy going on. Also a reshoot is out of the question. Thanks for the tip tho.
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robhainer
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Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:19 pm
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I think you could get by with it as editorial. You don't need it to be an event because it's a national landmark. The photo could get used as a file photo. I do photos of landmarks all the time, some with people in them, as editorial. Some even sell decently.
I don't think motion blur on some of the people moving is a big deal.
You just need to get the editorial caption format correct to get it accepted.
You probably shouldn't do editorials on your first 10, however. I also would get some photos of the outside of the building and some of the more interesting architectural details, since you have permission to shoot in there. All of them could easily be approved as editorial images.
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hhltdave5
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Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:26 pm
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Remember this when it comes to model releases. It is not if you thing the people are recognizable but rather if the people in the shot could recognize themselves by sight or by the situation of the shot. As mentioned several of the people in this shot would know it was them.
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robhainer
Joined: 03 May 2010
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Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:33 pm
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| hhltdave5 wrote: | | Remember this when it comes to model releases. It is not if you thing the people are recognizable but rather if the people in the shot could recognize themselves by sight or by the situation of the shot. As mentioned several of the people in this shot would know it was them. |
That's true. This is an obvious editorial image anyway. That is its only real use. People overlook those, but they can sell pretty well, especially when you're the only one selling a photo of the place.
You don't need a big, newsworthy event to get a photo in of a landmark. It only needs to be a place people would likely want to visit, something that would get used in a travel blog or something. Newsworthy doesn't necessarily mean hard news. At least that's been my experience with Shutterstock and the twenty or so editorial photos I have in my port.
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nadger
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:28 am
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nice shot!
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digigandalf
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:34 am
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| robhainer wrote: | This is an obvious editorial image anyway. That is its only real use. People overlook those, but they can sell pretty well, especially when you're the only one selling a photo of the place.
You don't need a big, newsworthy event to get a photo in of a landmark. It only needs to be a place people would likely want to visit, something that would get used in a travel blog or something. Newsworthy doesn't necessarily mean hard news. At least that's been my experience with Shutterstock and the twenty or so editorial photos I have in my port. |
That's true. "Newsworthy" in this case might be something like "Patrons conduct personal research in the reading room of the National Library of Ireland on [date] in [city]."
But I agree with the suggestion of keeping it in reserve till after you're in. Sometimes you do get a reviewer who doesn't see "newsworthy" by any definition. I'd also brighten the image just a tad with Levels or nondestructive dodging. (You can do that for an Editorial shot, just not clone anything out or alter it in a substantive way.)
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semmickphoto
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:27 pm
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@ robhainer
Thanks for the explanation. I wont submit it in the first 10. I will submit a view of them once I am in.
@ nadger
Thanks a lot ;-)
@digigandalf
Thanks, will work on it a little bit but will be gentle.
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semmickphoto
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:38 pm
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| hhltdave5 wrote: | | Remember this when it comes to model releases. It is not if you thing the people are recognizable but rather if the people in the shot could recognize themselves by sight or by the situation of the shot. As mentioned several of the people in this shot would know it was them. |
Thanks Dave will submit as editorial.
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rinder99
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:03 pm
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it's not newsworthy.
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semmickphoto
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:08 pm
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| rinder99 wrote: | | it's not newsworthy. |
Hmm, ok, so it cannot be submitted then? Or should I give it a go after the first 10 are approved?
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rudyumans
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:52 pm
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| rinder99 wrote: | | it's not newsworthy. |
Don't know Laurin. Some people reading an actual book made out of paper.....
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