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blinztree


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Post Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:57 am     Reply with quote

I have strobes with two different power ratings; 400w and 600w and I currently use individual triggers to fire them. I want to use sync cables instead of triggers.

I found a Hana sync adapter with 1 Male and 4 Female PC ports and have these questions;

1. Is it safe for both camera and strobes to connect 400w and 600w units together on a sync adapter?
2. If it is safe, will this setup draw more juice from the camera's battery?

Thanks in advance for your answers.
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Post Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:19 am     Reply with quote

Without knowing just what kind of system you are using this question may not be accurate. Do your lights have a slave function where you do not have to hook up a trigger or sync cable?

I can use 20 lights and if they have a slave function all I need is one sync cable or two triggers such as Pocket Wizards. The light from the main light will set off the others.
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Post Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:17 pm     Reply with quote

Where you can get into trouble with the system you are proposing is if the flash units have different sync voltages, one could blow the other up.
I have some METZ 45's one has a sync voltage of 17v and another older unit of 173v, tying these together would be ugly.

You are better off using a cheap optical coupler on one of the flash units, it will be triggered by the light from the first.

On sync trigger voltages, make sure your camera can handle it, you don't want to fry your camera either.
blinztree


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Post Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:58 pm     Reply with quote

Dave, the system layout is:-

Camera 1 via hot-shoe adapter > M-F PC sync cables > Hana adapter 1M + 4F PC ports> F-M PC sync cables> 2 @ 400w strobes + 2 @ 600w strobes

Camera 2 via PC port > M-F PC sync cables > Hana adapter 1M + 4F PC ports> F-M PC sync cables> 2 @ 400w strobes + 2 @ 600w strobes
blinztree


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Post Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:02 pm     Reply with quote

Jeff, if given that the 400w sync voltage is 4.5v and 600w sync voltage is 5 volts, would it be safe to tie them together?

Or must they both be have the same sync voltage?

I can always take the precautionary measure to use a in-house voltage regulator to prevent the strobes from frying the camera.
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Post Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 7:26 am     Reply with quote

use one on a trigger or cable and use the other as an optical slave. Why cables to both?
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Post Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 7:47 am     Reply with quote

markrhiggins wrote:
use one on a trigger or cable and use the other as an optical slave. Why cables to both?


That's what I was saying as well.
blinztree


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Post Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:21 pm     Reply with quote

Okay, Guys... I have tried the config out yesterday and it works reliable. Thanks :-)
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Post Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:56 am     Reply with quote

blinztree wrote:
Okay, Guys... I have tried the config out yesterday and it works reliable. Thanks :-)


Which config? :-)
blinztree


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Post Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:05 pm     Reply with quote

Camera > Sync cable > 1 unit of 400w strobe to fire the rest of the strobes/ flash via optic slaves.

I reckon this will work well for indoor work but working outdoors might be a bit dingy if ambient light is too bright.

An upgrade of triggers is also in order.
jeffbanke


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Post Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:45 pm     Reply with quote

blinztree wrote:
Jeff, if given that the 400w sync voltage is 4.5v and 600w sync voltage is 5 volts, would it be safe to tie them together?

Or must they both be have the same sync voltage?

I can always take the precautionary measure to use a in-house voltage regulator to prevent the strobes from frying the camera.


It is really never safe to try to join syncs together (sorry I missed that question before.)

I have pocket wizards, and some inexpensive Chinese off of ebay controllers. The Chinese triggers came with one transmitter and 3 recievers, whole kit cost about $45, and works fine, would fix the problem you have correctly surmised in that the optical couplers that I, Dave and Mark suggested earlier will not work outdoors unless at night.
blinztree


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Post Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:33 pm     Reply with quote

Thanks, Jeff, Dave and Mark for your inputs. Cheers
blinztree


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Post Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:16 am     Reply with quote

jeffbanke wrote:
It is really never safe to try to join syncs together


I have another possible config; Wire two strobes of the same input/output to a RX. That means the camera cannot get fried. But is it safe for the strobes and RXs?
jeffbanke


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Post Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:46 pm     Reply with quote

blinztree wrote:
jeffbanke wrote:
It is really never safe to try to join syncs together


I have another possible config; Wire two strobes of the same input/output to a RX. That means the camera cannot get fried. But is it safe for the strobes and RXs?


Quite possible if the sync voltages are identical, but you said they were not. I would advise against it, just because they were not designed to be wired that way. Get some cheap Chinese RX's they will not break the bank and work outdoors.
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Post Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:26 pm     Reply with quote

Big Thanks again, Jeff. Cheers
 
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