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bluerhine
Joined: 04 Jul 2009
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:49 am
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| mattgibson wrote: | Although I agree with the concept being good, as I was looking at this yesterday, my 15 year old son walked past and saw it and said...
"Is that your picture Dad, it looks freaky?"
Just an alternative observation from a non-photographer! |
Agree. The eye looks too big and there is no depth from the lens to the eye.
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semmickphoto

Joined: 12 Feb 2012
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Location: Stuck between a shutter and a hard place
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:38 am
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| bluerhine wrote: | | mattgibson wrote: | Although I agree with the concept being good, as I was looking at this yesterday, my 15 year old son walked past and saw it and said...
"Is that your picture Dad, it looks freaky?"
Just an alternative observation from a non-photographer! |
Agree. The eye looks too big and there is no depth from the lens to the eye. |
I am sorry but I disagree with both. Let the customer decide if the concept meets their needs. If I make the eye smaller the next one says, the eye is too small.
As for the photo being freaky. Thats the opinion of a 15yr old boy. Maybe the business starting up a photography contest thinks its brilliant and purchases a lifetime lease for 300 dollars. Who knows.
I do value your input regardless. Its good to know other opinions as well. Thanks for that.
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semmickphoto

Joined: 12 Feb 2012
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Location: Stuck between a shutter and a hard place
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:41 am
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| jeffbanke wrote: | | semmickphoto wrote: | LOL
So thats about 5 hours of work for this one. Pffff. But I like it a lot.
I am now down to 8 photos. 2 to go. Have a few more ideas I need to figure out how to get them on 'film' |
I am curious why 5 hours?
I mean replacing the eye is just a few seconds of work once you have the camera and eye as seperate images
I would suggest that you remove some of the words on the front of the lens which would make it so identifieable, zoom lens is probably OK, the numbers might be better removed though. |
I agree, the replacing the eye was a 10 minute job. But the isolation of the camera took me a lot of hours. I had shot it against a grey/white background which mixed with the colour of the camera. So I had to find the correct isolation technique which took me a lot of time. I am not that advanced in photoshop yet.
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ruxpriencdiam

Joined: 07 May 2009
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Location: Third Stone from the Sun
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:15 pm
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| semmickphoto wrote: | | jeffbanke wrote: | | semmickphoto wrote: | LOL
So thats about 5 hours of work for this one. Pffff. But I like it a lot.
I am now down to 8 photos. 2 to go. Have a few more ideas I need to figure out how to get them on 'film' |
I am curious why 5 hours?
I mean replacing the eye is just a few seconds of work once you have the camera and eye as seperate images
I would suggest that you remove some of the words on the front of the lens which would make it so identifieable, zoom lens is probably OK, the numbers might be better removed though. |
I agree, the replacing the eye was a 10 minute job. But the isolation of the camera took me a lot of hours. I had shot it against a grey/white background which mixed with the colour of the camera. So I had to find the correct isolation technique which took me a lot of time. I am not that advanced in photoshop yet. | Jeff has lots of info available for you.
http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=89878
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kenny123

Joined: 13 Aug 2005
Posts: 6079
Location: Masterton,Wairarapa, New Zealand
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:42 pm
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On Seeing Creatively:(Developing the"photographer's eye)
Developing a creative eye is about seeing things in a different way. A personal visual focus rather than obvious point of view. When we first use a camera we take pictures of all the obvious things around us, landmarks, people we know, family pets, etc., and after some while taking these mundane, overdone subjects, boredom starts to take effect (hopefully) and If we get bored enough, we, (well, some of us anyway) tend to look further than the obvious for our photographic endeavours, hopefully encouraging us to present our personal view of the World. Remember back when you were a kid?, where anything could be whatever you imagined it to be?. We, as adults have set-in-concrete ideas of how something should look, and that’s where the problem lies. How about, (photographically, anyway,) Going back in your imagination to that child-like innocence, and start looking at things the way you decide how they should appear? What would a worm see- if it looked up? Or a bird-looking down- I recall reading somewhere a woman and her 3-year old were out shopping, in a department store, at Christmas-time, and the child was crying. “what’s up with you?” the mother asked,” We are here in this beautiful shop, and we are going to buy some nice things to take home with us-look at all the lovely things they have here”. She looked down and noticed the child’s shoelace was undone. In bending down to re-tie the child’s shoelace, she understood why the crying- all the child could see from his height, was a forest of grown-up’s legs-he couldn’t see all the beautiful Christmas decorations or gifts-he wasn’t tall enough to see above the counters. Here’s a challenge: Spend a day taking photos of everyday things from a height of 600mm to 800mm, how a small child would view them. isolate part of an overall scene, using the camera’s viewfinder -Show things how they are not normally viewed. Use light creatively, to show texture, give mood or to produce silhouetted shapes. Use telephoto lenses for landscapes-wide angle lenses for portraits - take photos into the sun - take pictures while jumping in the air -
Place horizons where you want them to be. After a while creative vision becomes as natural as breathing, and when this occurs, you can concentrate on capturing the moment : The peak of action -a fleeting glance- certain lighting conditions. Learn all the “Rules” of composition-then see how many you can break, while still communicating powerful images. Try not focusing on the point of interest, instead focus on shape, or form. Decide what you want to emphasise-what message you want to convey to the viewer. Look for pictures within pictures. try looking at a scene through a 28mm wide-angle lens, change to a 200mm telephoto lens, and see how many different pictures you can isolate within that scene.
Working the subject
Instead of just taking the one picture from the angle you first saw it, try “Working the subject”, that is, cover the subject from as many angles as you can, to get the best from each photo opportunity. Here’s a checklist:
-From the front
-From behind
-From the left
-From the right
-From up close
-From far away
-From above
-From below
-Capture detail
-Unusual angles
-Into the light
-Include foreground
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robhainer

Joined: 03 May 2010
Posts: 2743
Location: Dallas, GA, USA
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:28 am
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I like the concept. The only changes I would make to improve it would be:
1. Clone out the writing. It will help prevent a trademark trigger, and it's a little distracting from your focal point. I stop to read the writing before I look at the eye. Always try to avoid writing in your images when possible.
2. Reduce the saturation or work on the white balance in the center part. The skin tone looks a little too red-orange to me.
3. Consider cloning out the blood vessels in the eye.
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rinder99

Joined: 12 Jul 2005
Posts: 39176
Location: Contact www.rinderart.com/Books and Workshops www.rindersmithphotography.com Youtube/rinder
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:28 pm
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| kenny123 wrote: | On Seeing Creatively:(Developing the"photographer's eye)
Developing a creative eye is about seeing things in a different way. A personal visual focus rather than obvious point of view. When we first use a camera we take pictures of all the obvious things around us, landmarks, people we know, family pets, etc., and after some while taking these mundane, overdone subjects, boredom starts to take effect (hopefully) and If we get bored enough, we, (well, some of us anyway) tend to look further than the obvious for our photographic endeavours, hopefully encouraging us to present our personal view of the World. Remember back when you were a kid?, where anything could be whatever you imagined it to be?. We, as adults have set-in-concrete ideas of how something should look, and that’s where the problem lies. How about, (photographically, anyway,) Going back in your imagination to that child-like innocence, and start looking at things the way you decide how they should appear? What would a worm see- if it looked up? Or a bird-looking down- I recall reading somewhere a woman and her 3-year old were out shopping, in a department store, at Christmas-time, and the child was crying. “what’s up with you?” the mother asked,” We are here in this beautiful shop, and we are going to buy some nice things to take home with us-look at all the lovely things they have here”. She looked down and noticed the child’s shoelace was undone. In bending down to re-tie the child’s shoelace, she understood why the crying- all the child could see from his height, was a forest of grown-up’s legs-he couldn’t see all the beautiful Christmas decorations or gifts-he wasn’t tall enough to see above the counters. Here’s a challenge: Spend a day taking photos of everyday things from a height of 600mm to 800mm, how a small child would view them. isolate part of an overall scene, using the camera’s viewfinder -Show things how they are not normally viewed. Use light creatively, to show texture, give mood or to produce silhouetted shapes. Use telephoto lenses for landscapes-wide angle lenses for portraits - take photos into the sun - take pictures while jumping in the air -
Place horizons where you want them to be. After a while creative vision becomes as natural as breathing, and when this occurs, you can concentrate on capturing the moment : The peak of action -a fleeting glance- certain lighting conditions. Learn all the “Rules” of composition-then see how many you can break, while still communicating powerful images. Try not focusing on the point of interest, instead focus on shape, or form. Decide what you want to emphasise-what message you want to convey to the viewer. Look for pictures within pictures. try looking at a scene through a 28mm wide-angle lens, change to a 200mm telephoto lens, and see how many different pictures you can isolate within that scene.
Working the subject
Instead of just taking the one picture from the angle you first saw it, try “Working the subject”, that is, cover the subject from as many angles as you can, to get the best from each photo opportunity. Here’s a checklist:
-From the front
-From behind
-From the left
-From the right
-From up close
-From far away
-From above
-From below
-Capture detail
-Unusual angles
-Into the light
-Include foreground |
brilliant and agree 1000%
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rinder99

Joined: 12 Jul 2005
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Location: Contact www.rinderart.com/Books and Workshops www.rindersmithphotography.com Youtube/rinder
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:38 pm
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| robhainer wrote: | I like the concept. The only changes I would make to improve it would be:
1. Clone out the writing. It will help prevent a trademark trigger, and it's a little distracting from your focal point. I stop to read the writing before I look at the eye. Always try to avoid writing in your images when possible.
2. Reduce the saturation or work on the white balance in the center part. The skin tone looks a little too red-orange to me.
3. Consider cloning out the blood vessels in the eye. |
I agree with Rob here. it is a good concept and your learning nicely, my issue is the color balance between the 2 composites and the scale.Your doing the work and Im proud of ya.
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semmickphoto

Joined: 12 Feb 2012
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:30 pm
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| rinder99 wrote: | | Your doing the work and Im proud of ya. |
Thanks Laurin, that is much appreciated.
Thanks to all the others too for the help. Will make some changes to the photo and repost.
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semmickphoto

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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:22 pm
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All suggestions implemented. Also changed the camera body a bit so it looks a different to avoid copyright. End result.
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jeffbanke

Joined: 18 Dec 2005
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Location: www.xlr8photo.com, The real California
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:23 pm
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Looks good, although I disagree with the removing of the blood vessels as it is more realistic with them left in.
I did notice that the eye was wearing a contact lens:-)
I found it interesting that some thought the eye was too large, I on the other hand being a nerd thought it was perfect!
What happens when you look through a magnifying glass (and what is a lens if not that), it enlarges things, so thought that you had it just right.
Anyway as I said before good strong concept, good luck with it.
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ruxpriencdiam

Joined: 07 May 2009
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Location: Third Stone from the Sun
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:40 pm
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| jeffbanke wrote: | Looks good, although I disagree with the removing of the blood vessels as it is more realistic with them left in.
I did notice that the eye was wearing a contact lens:-)
I found it interesting that some thought the eye was too large, I on the other hand being a nerd thought it was perfect!
What happens when you look through a magnifying glass (and what is a lens if not that), it enlarges things, so thought that you had it just right.
Anyway as I said before good strong concept, good luck with it. | So i take it you have a pocket protector?
Jeff is that xlrate a good place to send you an email?
I have something you might like to look at since you hunt and know hunters. Let me know so i can send it to you k? I just found it you are at comcast?
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semmickphoto

Joined: 12 Feb 2012
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:36 am
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| jeffbanke wrote: | Looks good, although I disagree with the removing of the blood vessels as it is more realistic with them left in.
I did notice that the eye was wearing a contact lens:-)
I found it interesting that some thought the eye was too large, I on the other hand being a nerd thought it was perfect!
What happens when you look through a magnifying glass (and what is a lens if not that), it enlarges things, so thought that you had it just right.
Anyway as I said before good strong concept, good luck with it. |
Hi Jeff, I agree with you, I still have the other verson as well. Problem is that with different critiques you get different processing. I can submit both version once I am in and then let the customer decide.
Thanks
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