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copidosoma
Joined: 17 Nov 2009
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:05 pm
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| annedunlap wrote: | Actually, I should ask about how much post-production work you did on those photos. Canon said I needed to use their post-production tools to clean up the image because RAW images are inherently soft. They sent me the most current version of their software and it did not help at all.
The photos I posted have absolutely no correction. |
Shot RAW. Sharpness at "3" in DPP (I set this in camera and it becomes the default in DPP). Bit of a bump on saturation and levels adjustment but really, very minor changes only. Those are almost straight out of the camera. I can post SOOC tomorrow. I just put these up because I just submitted a bunch.
f14, 1/200 sec iso 100 FWIW.
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rinder99
Joined: 12 Jul 2005
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Location: Contact www.rinderart.com/Books and Workshops www.rindersmithphotography.com Youtube/rinder
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:54 pm
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Whats amazing to me and Im just to dumb to analyze it is, I shoot Jpeg or straight to tiff. I don't think I've used ACR for anything, ever. I don't sharpen unless for effect and then I use Nikon capture NX2. I have zero problems with focus or WB, EVER! and I mean Ever.Im sorry i just don't get it. all of these issues just amaze me. My pictures are fine, They come out the way I see them, Tack sharp always. I have no noise whatsoever, I've never had fringing or CA. Maybe someone with more knowledge can explain what im doing wrong?????? Im lost.Im sorry, I just dont get it. And I know Dave has this same problem. Can someone explain?? What is it and why do you guys need all this stuff? And why Don't I? I shoot Jpeg. I hit a levels adj and maybe match color and Im done and submit. Im making 38 cents guys any more Im losing Money. If im doing a composite I judge weather i think it's worth it cost wise. What's the deal with some of you??Please explain to me why i need all these adjustments. Im very curious and have been for years. my god folks were on a penny stock site. Think about that.It's the Impact and commercial value. NOTHING MORE!!!!!
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geoffwnz
Joined: 10 Feb 2012
Posts: 174
Location: Wellington, New Zealand
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 2:25 am
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| rinder99 wrote: | | Whats amazing to me and Im just to dumb to analyze it is, I shoot Jpeg or straight to tiff. I don't think I've used ACR for anything, ever. I don't sharpen unless for effect and then I use Nikon capture NX2. I have zero problems with focus or WB, EVER! and I mean Ever.Im sorry i just don't get it. all of these issues just amaze me. My pictures are fine, They come out the way I see them, Tack sharp always. I have no noise whatsoever, I've never had fringing or CA. Maybe someone with more knowledge can explain what im doing wrong?????? Im lost.Im sorry, I just dont get it. And I know Dave has this same problem. Can someone explain?? What is it and why do you guys need all this stuff? And why Don't I? I shoot Jpeg. I hit a levels adj and maybe match color and Im done and submit. Im making 38 cents guys any more Im losing Money. If im doing a composite I judge weather i think it's worth it cost wise. What's the deal with some of you??Please explain to me why i need all these adjustments. Im very curious and have been for years. my god folks were on a penny stock site. Think about that.It's the Impact and commercial value. NOTHING MORE!!!!! |
Not quite sure the relevance of your point here (but I'm fluent in sarcasm).
We were talking about a difference in sharpness between two different camera bodies and using comparable shots in check.
My comparison below. No post processing from RAW other than 500px 100% crop.
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lithian
Joined: 10 Aug 2010
Posts: 246
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 2:31 am
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| annedunlap wrote: | | Yes, out of 20,000 images shot with the 7D (on a tripod - Manfrotto strong beast - at 100 ASA and a ton of other suggestions to reduce noise and improve focus) I NEVER got a single shot as clear as what you have posted :-( |
Of course, he posted a studio shot with strobes, maybe shot from a tripod. Even a compact can make neat shots under those conditions, strobes equal about 1/1200 exposure and it would be rather hard to miss the focus setting up a still life for 15 minutes. : )
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evetodew
Joined: 24 Feb 2012
Posts: 139
Location: Sweden
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:05 am
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annedunlap, that's very good question about HOW to actually achieve such beautiful focus (it's almost perfect), details (that are not too sharp), etc.
I need to know that too.. Do you try to achieve that only in the camera, or do you later on fix some problems in PS?
What format is perfect for shooting in? I'm currently in RAW. But if it makes the pic soft, that may not be very good?
P.S. Sorry I was reading the 1st page and just spontaneously posted my questions! Very useful topics around here!
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geoffwnz
Joined: 10 Feb 2012
Posts: 174
Location: Wellington, New Zealand
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:09 am
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| evetodew wrote: | annedunlap, that's very good question about HOW to actually achieve such beautiful focus (it's almost perfect), details (that are not too sharp), etc.
I need to know that too.. Do you try to achieve that only in the camera, or do you later on fix some problems in PS?
What format is perfect for shooting in? I'm currently in RAW. But if it makes the pic soft, that may not be very good?
P.S. Sorry I was reading the 1st page and just spontaneously posted my questions! Very useful topics around here! |
You can't fix focus problems in photoshop. So, in camera definitely.
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ajancso
Joined: 18 May 2009
Posts: 1891
Location: Right Behind You
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 6:31 am
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I am not sure what is happening here. As I mentioned above, I also have a 7D and I get similar results as Chris (copidosoma).
Ann, Geoff,
Have you guys tried to micro-adjust the focus on your 7D? Maybe you guys have an issue of back or front focus?
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antoine2000
Joined: 17 Sep 2009
Posts: 225
Location: London
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:44 am
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Another 7D user here - had no problems with sharpness. However I've just returned mine because of auto focus issues which started happening recently. I expect those to be fixed.
On saying that, manual focus worked perfectly - may I suggest that you try manual focus to rule out the auto issues that recently developed.
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copidosoma
Joined: 17 Nov 2009
Posts: 3800
Location: Canada
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:44 am
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| rinder99 wrote: | | Whats amazing to me and Im just to dumb to analyze it is, I shoot Jpeg or straight to tiff. I don't think I've used ACR for anything, ever. I don't sharpen unless for effect and then I use Nikon capture NX2. I have zero problems with focus or WB, EVER! and I mean Ever.Im sorry i just don't get it. all of these issues just amaze me. My pictures are fine, They come out the way I see them, Tack sharp always. I have no noise whatsoever, I've never had fringing or CA. Maybe someone with more knowledge can explain what im doing wrong?????? Im lost.Im sorry, I just dont get it. And I know Dave has this same problem. Can someone explain?? What is it and why do you guys need all this stuff? And why Don't I? I shoot Jpeg. I hit a levels adj and maybe match color and Im done and submit. Im making 38 cents guys any more Im losing Money. If im doing a composite I judge weather i think it's worth it cost wise. What's the deal with some of you??Please explain to me why i need all these adjustments. Im very curious and have been for years. my god folks were on a penny stock site. Think about that.It's the Impact and commercial value. NOTHING MORE!!!!! |
"adjustments" on that one took me all of 30 seconds.
Match colour in PS for the rest of the shots in the series and I was done. Copying and pasting keywords probably took longer.
Takes a few minutes to convert RAW to jpeg because I have a slow computer but luckily I have other things I can do while it is chewing on the files. And I have the original file (without 15 adjustment layers or anything) if I need it in the future.
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rinder99
Joined: 12 Jul 2005
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Location: Contact www.rinderart.com/Books and Workshops www.rindersmithphotography.com Youtube/rinder
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:26 am
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It was a joke chris.... I've read the micro adjust feature really helps. Just bizarre that nowdays this even has to be done. These aren't cheap Little Plastic Cameras. Is there a Canon forum or something? I've read about these issues a long time. Wally [supertramp} was the first on these forums to mention the issues. hope there is a fix, Jenn I think Had the same issue for awhile.Ever "Need it in the future" LOL Like an old painter said once when someone asked "How do you know when it's done"? The artist replied "How do you know when your finished Making Love" LOL
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rinder99
Joined: 12 Jul 2005
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Location: Contact www.rinderart.com/Books and Workshops www.rindersmithphotography.com Youtube/rinder
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:31 am
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Nice clean Olive shot.
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copidosoma
Joined: 17 Nov 2009
Posts: 3800
Location: Canada
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:40 am
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| rinder99 wrote: | | It was a joke chris.... I've read the micro adjust feature really helps. Just bizarre that nowdays this even has to be done. These aren't cheap Little Plastic Cameras. Is there a Canon forum or something? I've read about these issues a long time. Wally [supertramp} was the first on these forums to mention the issues. hope there is a fix, Jenn I think Had the same issue for awhile.Ever "Need it in the future" LOL Like an old painter said once when someone asked "How do you know when it's done"? The artist replied "How do you know when your finished Making Love" LOL |
Never know with you cranky old guys ;)
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geoffwnz
Joined: 10 Feb 2012
Posts: 174
Location: Wellington, New Zealand
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 1:10 pm
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| ajancso wrote: | I am not sure what is happening here. As I mentioned above, I also have a 7D and I get similar results as Chris (copidosoma).
Ann, Geoff,
Have you guys tried to micro-adjust the focus on your 7D? Maybe you guys have an issue of back or front focus? |
Had a play with one of the focus charts last week. Seemed to be least fuzzy bang on the focus plane and got less focussed uniformly either side.
Could have been the less than ideal light so will try it again soon.
With comparing the bodies it does seem quite similar though, but as mentioned, these are not cheap throwaway cameras for kids. They shouldn't have any issues.
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scruggelgreen
Joined: 09 Mar 2010
Posts: 417
Location: Apple Valley Minnesota
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:01 pm
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| rinder99 wrote: | | It was a joke chris.... I've read the micro adjust feature really helps. Just bizarre that nowdays this even has to be done. These aren't cheap Little Plastic Cameras. Is there a Canon forum or something? I've read about these issues a long time. Wally [supertramp} was the first on these forums to mention the issues. hope there is a fix, Jenn I think Had the same issue for awhile.Ever "Need it in the future" LOL Like an old painter said once when someone asked "How do you know when it's done"? The artist replied "How do you know when your finished Making Love" LOL |
I have to agree with Laurin on this one. When I started I changed every setting I could, slid every slider I could, and guess what, those pictures don't sell.
I have five lenses,
Nikon 18-200 (my standby, all star lens)
Nikon 10-24
Nikon 35 f1.8
Tamron 90mm macro
Tamron 28-105 f2.8 (old as dirt but brings home some winner shots)
I do an "af fine tune" to each lens when I get it (this really makes a big difference), profile each lens with the color checker passport and save the profile in acr. And done.
Yes I shoot raw, but just for the dynamic range. I set wb manually before each shoot, and that's it.
It was hard in the beginning following Lauren's advice with shoot it right in camera, but it does pay off.
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reicaden
Joined: 16 Jul 2009
Posts: 124
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:09 pm
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| scruggelgreen wrote: | | rinder99 wrote: | | It was a joke chris.... I've read the micro adjust feature really helps. Just bizarre that nowdays this even has to be done. These aren't cheap Little Plastic Cameras. Is there a Canon forum or something? I've read about these issues a long time. Wally [supertramp} was the first on these forums to mention the issues. hope there is a fix, Jenn I think Had the same issue for awhile.Ever "Need it in the future" LOL Like an old painter said once when someone asked "How do you know when it's done"? The artist replied "How do you know when your finished Making Love" LOL |
I have to agree with Laurin on this one. When I started I changed every setting I could, slid every slider I could, and guess what, those pictures don't sell.
I have five lenses,
Nikon 18-200 (my standby, all star lens)
Nikon 10-24
Nikon 35 f1.8
Tamron 90mm macro
Tamron 28-105 f2.8 (old as dirt but brings home some winner shots)
I do an "af fine tune" to each lens when I get it (this really makes a big difference), profile each lens with the color checker passport and save the profile in acr. And done.
Yes I shoot raw, but just for the dynamic range. I set wb manually before each shoot, and that's it.
It was hard in the beginning following Lauren's advice with shoot it right in camera, but it does pay off. |
Has anyone in this thread commented on over-processing or over-filtering? Seems like a lot of replies coming out of the wood work to comment on how we should shoot jpeg and upload straight to shutterstock, when that does not seem to have anything to do with the original intent of this thread.
I agree with the Opening poster. The images that ajancso and Chris seem to obtain so easily and with such little noise were impossible to me with my 7D. After 2 years I finally just upgraded to a 5dM2 (worse Focus system, as in older, but the noise, ohh its beautiful, not a drop at ISO 100, as it should be).
My 7D was always noisy, just like the 100% crop seagull shot that was posted. Identical. It looked like someone threw sugar all over my image or sand, even at ISO 100 in studio with strobes. I'd use other cameras and not have that happen, even in the same setting/location shoot.
My honest advice? Pick up a 5Dm2 used for 1600$, and sell your 7D or return it. Some people, like ajancso and Chris seem to have good bodies, and some, like myself and geo seem to get bodies that are noisy even at ISO 100.
Get ready for 20 responses from naysayers with comments such as "learn 2 focus" and "you probably handheld in pitch dark with shutterspeed 5 seconds", "use a tripod" and "technique is all you need, thats not noise, its humidity" like i've heard in almost every post in these forums where someone seems to have a body that performs poorly despite every attempt to correct and underperforms other cameras in the same environment.
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