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pritchie
Joined: 02 Mar 2012
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:00 pm
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| rinder99 wrote: | Hows the composition on the first one??
And hows the lighting on the second One??
Both straight out of camera.And yes both are on purpose silhouettes. |
oh oh oh.. I get a chance to critique on Laurin photos! umm... I smell a trap..
Well they are both OOF (cos everyone says they are always OOF ;o) ). I understand this to be Obviously Over Focused as my pictures are always super sharp (if you zoom out far enough).
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But seriously.. like a lamb to the slaughter here are my real answers (I was going to say opinions, however I'm not good enough to them yet ;-) ).
As I like to think everything was done for a reason I'm going to try and answer as if I was the person taking the photo, eg. try and understand what was trying to be achieved or reverse engineer it.
1) personally, it too tightly framed.. (unless the objective was to make the sun appear larger for the shot), however I feel it's so tight it's taken from the photo rather than added to it.. eg. made it more boring so after the viewer has finished looking at the sun, they're done, there is nothing else really to look at.
2) personally, I again like this shot (if I took it, it would be considered a master piece!). The lighting on the sky I think is good. However to be "Laurin" perfect I feel the detail of FG or trees has been lost due to be being under exposed.
I believe the magic of a perfect silhouette is just having some detail within the silhouettes itself. The silhouettes on this image look pure black and therefore underexposed. Though how you'd increase the exposure of the trees without over exposing the sky is down to you experts, HDR? (sorry did I swear Laurin?) gradated ND filter?
Wow, do I feel like the apprentice telling Leonardo Da Vinci how to paint. I expect to be screaming "in coming" at any moment..
Thanks Laurin for whatever lesson this is..
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pharm
Joined: 09 Jul 2006
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Location: Never quite sure
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:47 pm
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The lesson is in the post right above yours.
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geoffwnz
Joined: 10 Feb 2012
Posts: 174
Location: Wellington, New Zealand
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:16 pm
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Yep, it kind of was a trap. :-p
I can fully understand shooting for different markets/purposes. My main subject is motorsport which is almost totally incompatible with Microstock for a number of reasons (mainly cars in the shot). Different techniques are needed but that said, the lessons I'm learning here are still well worth the time spent practicing as they improve my overall skill as a photographer, both in capturing the image in the first place and what to look at when post processing.
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savagelioness
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:17 pm
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Hi Rinder,
Thanks for the assignment. These are my cropped suggestions. Both pictures seem underexposed. Need to be adjusted a little bit in PS. Let me know what you think.
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rinder99
Joined: 12 Jul 2005
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Location: Contact www.rinderart.com/Books and Workshops www.rindersmithphotography.com Youtube/rinder
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:40 pm
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Actually, Your first one is the first crop I did and reminded me of the movie Poster from "it's a Mad,mad,Mad world" But Like said the output was always going to be "day For night" in B&W and it just didn't have enough of a graphics feel to it and I needed a Simulated Sun/Moon.. #2 has no interest for me. but thanks for commenting.I just submitted the whole color batch of 34 along with some 1500 yr old petroglyphs carved in lava and volcano Images. I did get 51 Footage clips accepted though of the volcano and beaches. I'll Take a footage sale anyday over a still. My usual first consideration taking Pictures and probably comes from doing Gallery shows and painting is "Where else can I market this" I'll also be sending the Sunsets to Fine-art America.They seem to like those.
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ruxpriencdiam
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Location: Third Stone from the Sun
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:29 pm
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| rinder99 wrote: | | The lesson "For new people is" look for the other stuff,Different Markets and output. |
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peterwey
Joined: 24 Mar 2007
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Location: www.peterwey.com
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:55 pm
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| rinder99 wrote: | Very good peter. As a landscape shooter, You know it's about pre-visualizing a shot. First off. this wasn't about a critique nor was it about stock as I don't think any of these along with another 35 would sell much in the scale of things even if they were accepted. The owner of the 4 million dollar house I stayed at Traded me and 4 friends + my wife a week there free for shots of The house Interior and exterior because it's for sale. he also wanted a Pano of the Kilauea Volcano printed very Large for the den. I did a 9.7 FT x 25 in print and had it framed. He also wanted a Print for a Bathroom in 20 x 24. So the point being is don't think that everything you do has to be for Penny stock. This man has properties all over the world. I gained a client for future artwork,Sold some prints,Got to stay with my friends in a mansion on the beach that rents for $5,500 a night.
So....Don't always think your work has to be so called "perfectly exposed" But think of perfectly exposed and pre processed for the output your after. My output was "Moonrise in the Islands"First off converting the as shot original to Blue in ACR. [Yes you can process Jpgs in Adobe Camera Raw] then to B&W for better Greyscale and tone coming from a cool WB.Some dodging on a layer set to soft light and then some toning and a little crop.And as peter said if I submit and it gets rejected Thats fine with me.The lesson "For new people is" look for the other stuff,Different Markets and output. Heres the final print.Im Happy with it, More important so is the client.
the shot was inspired by a Film Image I took 15 years ago in color and has sold Many prints and been in many Gallery shows.Think beyond this little box were all in, Just a few Images can be a very good annunity. |
hi laurin
nice lesson. thought you meant someting like this :-)
always appreciated your comments. helped me a lot, today and a couple of years ago when i startet here.
there definitely is a world outside microstock
thanks
pete
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turbodls1ta
Joined: 17 Jun 2008
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Location: T'exas, y'all
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:37 pm
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Although the lesson is over, I saw no mention to utilizing HDR to bring more range of exposure to a blown out sky or under exposed foreground...
Would that be a possibility (for a subject other than silhouetting?)
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greenfield54
Joined: 21 Jun 2009
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Location: Philippines
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:34 pm
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| rinder99 wrote: | | Actually, Your first one is the first crop I did and reminded me of the movie Poster from "it's a Mad,mad,Mad world". |
I was very,very young and full of aspirations when that movie came out. The trees were leaning towards each other forming an "X" which is supposed to be where the treasure is. But I don't remember what the treasure was. Another movie I enjoyed very much was the air race of antique airplanes. Can't remember the title though. My hair stood on end when the jets did a fly by towards the end of the movie. Sorry for hijacking your thread.:)
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rinder99
Joined: 12 Jul 2005
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:06 am
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| turbodls1ta wrote: | Although the lesson is over, I saw no mention to utilizing HDR to bring more range of exposure to a blown out sky or under exposed foreground...
Would that be a possibility (for a subject other than silhouetting?) |
An entirely other topic.HDR is not new guys. Goes back decades with sandwiching negatives in a darkroom. Im not a fan. But Love it when an artist does it great, Most don't..
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mikenorton
Joined: 22 Aug 2005
Posts: 3496
Location: Guide Book http://www.lulu.com/shop/mike-norton/nortons-notes/paperback/product-5079819.html
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:43 am
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Say greenfield54,
Wasn't the treasure in "Its a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad, World" buried under palm trees that made a W? And wasn't the treasure $200,000?
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greenfield54
Joined: 21 Jun 2009
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Location: Philippines
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:27 am
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| mikenorton wrote: | Say greenfield54,
Wasn't the treasure in "Its a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad, World" buried under palm trees that made a W? And wasn't the treasure $200,000? |
Maybe it was. Can't remember. Anyway it was a good movie to watch on the big screen.
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tverkhovynets
Joined: 12 Jun 2010
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Location: Kiev, Ukraine
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:19 am
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Great lesson, Laurin. Thanks!
Taras
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rinder99
Joined: 12 Jul 2005
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Location: Contact www.rinderart.com/Books and Workshops www.rindersmithphotography.com Youtube/rinder
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:25 am
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| mikenorton wrote: | Say greenfield54,
Wasn't the treasure in "Its a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad, World" buried under palm trees that made a W? And wasn't the treasure $200,000? |
Yes.
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hhltdave5
Joined: 20 Jun 2006
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Location: Our Stock, Food & Portrait photography books at www.rindersmithphotography.com
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:53 am
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| mikenorton wrote: | Say greenfield54,
Wasn't the treasure in "Its a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad, World" buried under palm trees that made a W? And wasn't the treasure $200,000? |
One of the nuttiest movies ever made with some of the biggest Hollywood stars.
Spencer Tracy
Milton Berle
Sid Caesar
Buddy Hackett
Ethel Merman
Mickey Rooney
Dick Shawn
Phil Silvers
Terry-Thomas
Jonathan Winters
Edie Adams
Dorothy Provine
Jimmy Durante
Paul Ford
Peter Falk
Buster Keaton
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