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seaspray2


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:40 pm     Reply with quote

Just a shot of power lines, taken with the kit lens unfortunately, though , I know, don't blame on the equipment. Would this be more in the commercial value category? I can go back there, on skis so how would /you improve this ? I also wanted to say I like the eggs and chocolate shot, but would have liked it with a chocolate chick or bunny in the shell.


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jhuls


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:21 pm     Reply with quote

The lighting is all wrong, everything is too dark and in shadow except for the sky. Your camera exposed for the sky and left everything too dark.

I'm not sure it's worth a reshoot though, I think this one would get rejected for LCV. What product or idea are you trying to help promote with this photo?
seaspray2


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:32 pm     Reply with quote

I guess it is tough to shoot against a bright sky...have to use recovery tool and probably darkened everything. Is there a way to shoot objects against a bright sky without losing the sky or underexposing object? Thinking about electricity or conveyance of it. Thanks for critique, any way to improve the shot?


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seaspray2


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:40 pm     Reply with quote

This is the original with a small amount of fill.


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hhltdave5


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:45 pm     Reply with quote

Power lines have been done to death even several years ago. I remember when I joined 6 years ago I did a power line shot and was told it was old hat even back then.

Try to keep this in mind when coming up with shots and that is how many will you have to fight with to get sales. Over done concepts get lost in the masses very quickly. If you have something that is very unique or special then I say go with it but if it is just generic then it probably will not be the sale maker you think it could be.

Also what has been said about the lighting is correct. When you are faced with bright areas such as sky, snow, sand etc the scene can fool the meter and end up giving you an under exposed image.
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Post Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:59 pm     Reply with quote

This is about as good as it's gonna get, But agree on LCV.Also Look at what your up agains't. 969 Pages X 100. One of the reasons I keep telling folks to search first.

http://www.shutterstock.com/cat.mhtml?lang=en&search_source=search_form&version=llv1&anyorall=all&safesearch=1&searchterm=power+lines&search_group=&orient=&search_cat=&searchtermx=&photographer_name=&people_gender=&people_age=&people_ethnicity=&people_number=&commercial_ok=&color=&show_color_wheel=1



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seaspray2


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:37 pm     Reply with quote

Hi all. thanks again.I am not trying to annoy you . I did follow your advice,Rinder, and saw some amazing photos but none of this type of wooden power lines. so I though to give it a go. I also under stand about exposure, I think, so I find that usually the sky is 1 to 1 1/2 stops brighter than the landscape. How would you then get everything exposed properly? Or do you always add a sky later? Thanks again. Hope you don't mind but will keep trying and learning and hope to get some acceptable photos soon.
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Post Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:41 pm     Reply with quote

seaspray2 wrote:
Hi all. thanks again.I am not trying to annoy you . I did follow your advice,Rinder, and saw some amazing photos but none of this type of wooden power lines. so I though to give it a go. I also under stand about exposure, I think, so I find that usually the sky is 1 to 1 1/2 stops brighter than the landscape. How would you then get everything exposed properly? Or do you always add a sky later? Thanks again. Hope you don't mind but will keep trying and learning and hope to get some acceptable photos soon.


Exposure like this can be tricky. What I usually do is to start off my metering off of my hand. This gives a pretty in between meter reading. It may take some adjustments but it gets you in the ball park. You can also spot meter on something between the light and dark areas.

This is a shot of mine that I did in the White Sands National Park in which I metered off of my hand.



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rinder99


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:23 am     Reply with quote

seaspray2 wrote:
Hi all. thanks again.I am not trying to annoy you . I did follow your advice,Rinder, and saw some amazing photos but none of this type of wooden power lines. so I though to give it a go. I also under stand about exposure, I think, so I find that usually the sky is 1 to 1 1/2 stops brighter than the landscape. How would you then get everything exposed properly? Or do you always add a sky later? Thanks again. Hope you don't mind but will keep trying and learning and hope to get some acceptable photos soon.


Your doing fine, Just remember what your up against. It's good man. Just keep at it.AND BE UNIQUE!!!!!!!!!
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Post Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:30 am     Reply with quote

seaspray2 asks:
"Is there a way to shoot objects against a bright sky without losing the sky or underexposing object? "

Yes. Everything in the composition must be in the same light. Shoot when the sun is low in the sky and at your back or over your shoulder. When the sun is low the color of the light is warmer and the sun at your back or over your shoulder will send the shadows behind the objects in your composition.

Look at Dave image from White Sands: the sun is on the left causing the shadows to so to the right, not toward the camera. The white sand, the soaptree yucca and the blue sky are all receiving the same light. Dave meters his hand, I meter a red hat. The red hat and the blue sky would both have metered the same for Dave's image.


http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/51753/51753,1257628678,1/stock-photo-the-moulton-barn-and-the-teton-range-in-grand-teton-national-park-wyoming-40439383.jpg
The sun is to my right, see how it lights the sky, mountains, barn and grass evenly? Look for compositions like this.


http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/51753/51753,1228185676,1/stock-photo-a-buck-and-rail-fence-with-the-grand-teton-mountain-range-in-the-background-photographed-at-21386350.jpg
In this one the sun has just come over the horizon, the warm light is turning the white snow and gray granite mountains pink. The foreground is darker because it is not getting direct sunlight but all the clouds are bouncing light down on the green pastures making them bright enough to be acceptable.


http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/51753/51753,1219608070,1/stock-photo-a-nineteenth-century-silver-mill-in-colorado-photographed-during-the-autumn-season-16494862.jpg
In this one the suns light is from the right and lighting everything from the waterfall to the sky evenly. (I did use Photoshop to make the shadow side of the mill a little lighter, but the detail was there I did not add it.
seaspray2


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:28 am     Reply with quote

Okay...thanks again for the advice from all. I will try to see the light better and try to be unique. I have to admit the competiton is pretty tough.
banepetkovic


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:11 am     Reply with quote

seaspray2 wrote:
Is there a way to shoot objects against a bright sky without losing the sky or underexposing object?

Use graduated neutral density filter.
For these kind of situations (with trees in the middle between dark and light area) SOFT GND is the best choice.
I prefer 3stops (ND8) SOFT GND.
For power lines.JPG use normal orientation of filter.
For power lines2.JPG turn it upside down.
copidosoma


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:52 pm     Reply with quote

seaspray2 wrote:
Just a shot of power lines, taken with the kit lens unfortunately, though , I know, don't blame on the equipment. Would this be more in the commercial value category? I can go back there, on skis so how would /you improve this ? I also wanted to say I like the eggs and chocolate shot, but would have liked it with a chocolate chick or bunny in the shell.


Great, you've gone and proved that you can get an image that is sufficiently sharp with the kit lens. Way to go. Now everyone who wants to blame their kit lens for a soft image will see this. What are they supposed to do now?

I actually had to do a double take on these images. Looks exactly like my hunting spot.
ruxpriencdiam


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:40 pm     Reply with quote

copidosoma wrote:
seaspray2 wrote:
Just a shot of power lines, taken with the kit lens unfortunately, though , I know, don't blame on the equipment. Would this be more in the commercial value category? I can go back there, on skis so how would /you improve this ? I also wanted to say I like the eggs and chocolate shot, but would have liked it with a chocolate chick or bunny in the shell.


Great, you've gone and proved that you can get an image that is sufficiently sharp with the kit lens. Way to go. Now everyone who wants to blame their kit lens for a soft image will see this. What are they supposed to do now?

I actually had to do a double take on these images. Looks exactly like my hunting spot.
A kit lens wow.

So it can be done.

Now everyone will be running out to get a new Kit Lens.
seaspray2


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:33 pm     Reply with quote

Well, I wasn't trying to ba kit lens ad but glad to see you think it is sharp. It doesn't have a nice look like my canon 17-55 but can't exactlyb describe why. I use it because it light for skiing etc. Location is Cypress bowl Vancouver.
 
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