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drskn08
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:43 am
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I took a portrait of this tribal young boy in the forest. I bought an icecream for him what he is having in this pic. i had curiosity if such pic can work here in the stock ?
Please have a look and suggest.
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semmickphoto
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:55 am
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Do you have a model release? If not all else is out the door.
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drskn08
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:57 am
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Not right now but i can get from his father as his family is known to my father
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ruxpriencdiam
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:59 am
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| semmickphoto wrote: | | Do you have a model release? If not all else is out the door. |
Yep along with lighting, composition trees coming out side of head and he looks mad as hail for someone eating ice cream on a stick or an ice pop whatever it is.
Kids eating these are usually all bright and cheery and happy with smiling faces.
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jhuls
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:01 am
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The picture could work for stock but I think you would need to do a reshoot. This one the is going to get rejected for lighting. Notice the harsh shadows under his eyes, (we call them raccoon eyes around here) it comes from shooting when the sun is high and bright. You also have a harsh shadow under the neck. You would need a powerful flash for fill to combat that.
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drskn08
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:05 am
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| ruxpriencdiam wrote: | Yep along with lighting, composition trees coming out side of head and he looks mad as hail for someone eating ice cream on a stick or an ice pop whatever it is.
Kids eating these are usually all bright and cheery and happy with smiling faces. |
| jhuls wrote: | | The picture could work for stock but I think you would need to do a reshoot. This one the is going to get rejected for lighting. Notice the harsh shadows under his eyes, (we call them raccoon eyes around here) it comes from shooting when the sun is high and bright. You also have a harsh shadow under the neck. You would need a powerful flash for fill to combat that. |
Thats why i am purposely asking for this one for stock.. as the shadows its self were making the pic dramatic. i liked his eyes popping out of black shadows. Was not sure if it is ok for stock
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drskn08
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:31 am
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The colored one
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jhuls
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:06 am
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I think you could have the same drama without the harsh shadows. I don't think it is worth all the trouble of getting a release. I think a reviewer is just going to reject it for poor lighting. Even if you leave the eyes out of it there is still a harsh shadow under his nose and on his neck.
BTW: I like the concept, I think it is better in color. I like that it isn't the typical happy shot, I think it makes one think about this child and why even though he is eating a Popsicle he still seems to be mad. Is it right for stock, I don't know, but if I didn't think it would get rejected and you already had a release I would say go for it and see what happens. I guess it's a matter of how hard it would be to get the release and if it is worth the trouble when it will most likely get rejected anyway.
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drskn08
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:09 am
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ok. thanks all for your comments
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hhltdave5
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:18 am
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The first question you should ask yourself when you are doing a shot like this is what do you want it to show? Once you have that in mind then that will tell you how to go about capturing it.
For me the color version does not work at all. From the look on his face I would go for the hard look. This would show what I feel are the conditions he is living with.
If you just want to do a simple portrait of a boy with an ice cream then you would do the usual things of using fill flash to lighten up the shadows.
If you are going for the hard look then I would not use the fill flash, drop down a bit to get a straight on shot and work on concentrating of the face.
But, how can you do either of these if you do not know what you want to show and accomplish with the shot. It is like building something without a plan. If you don't have a direction you will end up with something unusable.
Could something like that harsh type of shot be used in stock? Sure.
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drskn08
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:28 am
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| hhltdave5 wrote: | The first question you should ask yourself when you are doing a shot like this is what do you want it to show? Once you have that in mind then that will tell you how to go about capturing it.
For me the color version does not work at all. From the look on his face I would go for the hard look. This would show what I feel are the conditions he is living with.
If you just want to do a simple portrait of a boy with an ice cream then you would do the usual things of using fill flash to lighten up the shadows.
If you are going for the hard look then I would not use the fill flash, drop down a bit to get a straight on shot and work on concentrating of the face.
But, how can you do either of these if you do not know what you want to show and accomplish with the shot. It is like building something without a plan. If you don't have a direction you will end up with something unusable.
Could something like that harsh type of shot be used in stock? Sure. |
thanks for comment Dave. certainly i was not thinking of stock while taking this unplanned shot. i took this shot for something else. i know stock sites need well lit portraits and other images. still i wanted to know if pix with such harsh shadows are acceptable as stock sometimes ! as i am still learning, i need to do experiments. so here it was to know your comments
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rinder99
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:32 am
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One of my best sellers But, It was specifically shot and composed this way for this effect and converted to B&W properly.
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hhltdave5
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:36 am
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| drskn08 wrote: | | hhltdave5 wrote: | The first question you should ask yourself when you are doing a shot like this is what do you want it to show? Once you have that in mind then that will tell you how to go about capturing it.
For me the color version does not work at all. From the look on his face I would go for the hard look. This would show what I feel are the conditions he is living with.
If you just want to do a simple portrait of a boy with an ice cream then you would do the usual things of using fill flash to lighten up the shadows.
If you are going for the hard look then I would not use the fill flash, drop down a bit to get a straight on shot and work on concentrating of the face.
But, how can you do either of these if you do not know what you want to show and accomplish with the shot. It is like building something without a plan. If you don't have a direction you will end up with something unusable.
Could something like that harsh type of shot be used in stock? Sure. |
thanks for comment Dave. certainly i was not thinking of stock while taking this unplanned shot. i took this shot for something else. i know stock sites need well lit portraits and other images. still i wanted to know if pix with such harsh shadows are acceptable as stock sometimes ! as i am still learning, i need to do experiments. so here it was to know your comments |
As I said stock does not need to be all pretty lights and soft shadows with bright colors. They can be dark, dramatic and disturbing. Go to Laurin's port and sort it by popular. Notice how many of his dark type portraits are his most popular?
It is nothing more than doing an image well no matter if it is bright and happy or dark and disturbing. The trick is knowing how to do it well.
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drskn08
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:40 am
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| rinder99 wrote: | | One of my best sellers But, It was specifically shot and composed this way for this effect and converted to B&W properly. |
Truly speaking Laurin. I saw many black and white pix and i love them more than colored ones. But i saw few of your B&W portraits here and internet and i get inspired. I know i stand no where near you but everyone starts from the floor i guess. Its ok if am scolded by you all but still i will have to eat your brain time to time if i wanna learn. and i will still need advises (in all forms lol) from you all when i have tens of thousands of images in my port.
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jeffbanke
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:45 am
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Shadows can work to add mood, but as the guys said, the image has to say something
B/W can work on eyes, but again they have to have a haunting or sensual quality that evokes an emotion
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