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turbodls1ta


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Post Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:30 am     Reply with quote

I'm taking my family to see the Blue Angels this weekend and am hoping to get some good shots. However I have never shot something moving so fast, so far away. Anyone that has done these shots have any advice? I have some lenses I can borrow from my school, including 70-200mm f4, 300mm f4, 100-400mm f4-5.6, 2x extender, and maybe a 400mm f2.8 (but not likely as I'm not advanced enough). Which lens would be best? What shutter speeds do you guys normally shoot something moving at over 300mph?
Thanks
hhltdave5


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Post Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:00 am     Reply with quote

turbodls1ta wrote:
I'm taking my family to see the Blue Angels this weekend and am hoping to get some good shots. However I have never shot something moving so fast, so far away. Anyone that has done these shots have any advice? I have some lenses I can borrow from my school, including 70-200mm f4, 300mm f4, 100-400mm f4-5.6, 2x extender, and maybe a 400mm f2.8 (but not likely as I'm not advanced enough). Which lens would be best? What shutter speeds do you guys normally shoot something moving at over 300mph?
Thanks


Laurin and I shot them at their home base at the Pensacola Naval Base a few years ago with Cheryl and some others.

We used our Nikon 70-200 VR. I believe we were shooting at about 2.8 with a shutter speed of about 1000th. Remember they will be more than 40 feet away so DOF will not come into play. You better be ready cuz those suckers will come by you at about 700 MPH and you need to anticipate where they will be.

Here are some of the shots I took.



http://www.shutterstock.com/g/hhltdave5#id=8015692



http://www.shutterstock.com/g/hhltdave5#id=8015689



http://www.shutterstock.com/g/hhltdave5#id=8015683

We were lucky, Cheryl's husband is based there and we got to be right out by the runway area.
pharm


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Post Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:10 am     Reply with quote

Be sure to pan with the planes and shoot multiple frames (continuous shooting).
hhltdave5


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Post Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:21 am     Reply with quote

pharm wrote:
Be sure to pan with the planes and shoot multiple frames (continuous shooting).


Good point Perry. You end up tossing more than you keep in cases like this.
ruxpriencdiam


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Post Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:30 am     Reply with quote

The speed of sound is 768 mph or approximately one mile in five seconds.

So dont worry they wont be going that fast that was stopped sometime ago and Jets are no longer allowed to break the sound barrier even at shows unless they are over the water or somewhere that wont interfere with peoples dwellings.

When they were breaking the sound barrier over houses or near them they were causing damage to them.

So they may get near 700mph but they will more then likely be in the 400-500 range for what they are doing.
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Post Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:32 pm     Reply with quote

You will find out real quick why folks use Fast glass.They were about 300 ft in front of us. You cant see them or hear them coming, be ready. camera on continious focus and burst.Pretty awesome stuff to shoot. It's about anticipation , fastest shutter you can get, these were about 1/1250 F4 very fun day.good Luck. these are so sharp you can read the pilots name on the helmet.And BTW. SS won't accept them now unless editorial, I had to clone everything off of them.. Not that easy to do, there here and gone in a blink of an eye....Good luck.


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pharm


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Post Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:54 pm     Reply with quote

ruxpriencdiam wrote:
The speed of sound is 768 mph or approximately one mile in five seconds...


Depending on temperature and ambient atmospheric pressure, of course. Barry, if you want to double check your facts, I'd highly suggest consulting with this woman:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhm7-LEBznk
turbodls1ta


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Post Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:32 pm     Reply with quote

Thanks for the tips guys. I guess I dont need as much glass as I thought I would. I've seen them in the past at fleet week in SF, but this is the first time my 4 year will see them and the first time I've ever attempted photographing something so radical.
ruxpriencdiam


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Post Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:31 pm     Reply with quote

pharm wrote:
ruxpriencdiam wrote:
The speed of sound is 768 mph or approximately one mile in five seconds...


Depending on temperature and ambient atmospheric pressure, of course. Barry, if you want to double check your facts, I'd highly suggest consulting with this woman:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhm7-LEBznk
Thank you perry but this i know and was only stating the given average In dry air at 20 °C (68 °F).

Even a camera buff like you should know that the air density of moist air could affect your images the same as it affects how sound travels through it.{:o)
peteklinger


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Post Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:30 am     Reply with quote

Hate to put a possible damper on this. Editorial yes, RF no, unless you have a release from them and possibly credentials from them to shoot the shot. (depending on public or ticket paying private exhibit)

http://www.shutterstock.com/buzz/legal/stock-photo-restrictions

Airshows

Snowbirds (CAN), Blue Angels (US), Thunderbirds (US), The Red Arrows(UK)
Images may be submitted as editorial.
Additional property release or credentials may be required.


I'd say just shoot them and have fun and get the experience, then see what happens later. You'll at the least get some great home photos and have a good time!

Take the 100-400 and don't go past 350. If they let you borrow the 300mm that's a nice long lens. The 70-200 is sharp. I guess what I'd say is, you can't go wrong with any of them. (and yes the 400mm f/2.8 is overkill, big and heavy) Skip the extender.
pharm


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Post Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:28 pm     Reply with quote

ruxpriencdiam wrote:
pharm wrote:
ruxpriencdiam wrote:
The speed of sound is 768 mph or approximately one mile in five seconds...


Depending on temperature and ambient atmospheric pressure, of course. Barry, if you want to double check your facts, I'd highly suggest consulting with this woman:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhm7-LEBznk
Thank you perry but this i know and was only stating the given average In dry air at 20 °C (68 °F).

Even a camera buff like you should know that the air density of moist air could affect your images the same as it affects how sound travels through it.{:o)


I still think you could learn something from the girl in the video. ;)
turbodls1ta


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Post Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:14 pm     Reply with quote

So Im back from a pretty dull event. It was windy as hell, 20mph constant with 35 mph gusts, which is why I think it was probably the worst BA show I've seen. Really overcast too, so it was very dull light, which kind of makes my images lack the "pop". However, I do think my focus issue is coming around..
All shot with a 70-200mm f4. I used the 2x extender a few times but they all came out too soft for my likings..



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turbodls1ta


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Post Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:21 pm     Reply with quote

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turbodls1ta


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Post Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:24 pm     Reply with quote

Moar


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turbodls1ta


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Post Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:27 pm     Reply with quote

Moer


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