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daveallen
Joined: 04 Jun 2008
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:42 pm
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I was at Barnes and Noble tonight and found one of my images being used on the cover of a book for sale. I was under the impression that this would require an EL sale, but when I looked I see that I have never had an EL sale for this image. On the back of the book it says that the image was licensed from shutterstock, yet there are no EL sales for this image at SS. Would this usage require an EL license? If it does, what is my next step to get compensation for it? What kind of compensation am I entitled to? Thanks y'all! |
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hhltdave5
Joined: 20 Jun 2006
Posts: 24305
Location: Our Stock, Food & Portrait photography books at www.rindersmithphotography.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:33 pm
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| daveallen wrote: | | I was at Barnes and Noble tonight and found one of my images being used on the cover of a book for sale. I was under the impression that this would require an EL sale, but when I looked I see that I have never had an EL sale for this image. On the back of the book it says that the image was licensed from shutterstock, yet there are no EL sales for this image at SS. Would this usage require an EL license? If it does, what is my next step to get compensation for it? What kind of compensation am I entitled to? Thanks y'all! |
Only if the book had a run of at least 250,000 copies. If it was over that amount you can notify Shutterstock and they can look into the license that it was purchased under. Do you have the image on any other stock sites where they may have purchased it? |
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daveallen
Joined: 04 Jun 2008
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:50 am
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| hhltdave5 wrote: | | Do you have the image on any other stock sites where they may have purchased it? |
It says right on the book that it was licensed through Shutterstock :) |
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triceratops
Joined: 15 Nov 2006
Posts: 7933
Location: The other Nevada
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:34 am
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It's not the usage of the image in/on a book that determines the license, but rather the number of copies that will be published. As Dave said, the publication run must be at least 250,000 copies before an EL is required.
Several years ago I had an image that was used on several billboards in Oklahoma promoting women's health. No EL, just $0.25. As Laurin sadly pointed out, before microstock the same image in that application would have brought in $40,000. Now that's deflation ! :>( |
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evaners
Joined: 04 Mar 2008
Posts: 6649
Location: Slightly northeast from the best ice cream stand in the world
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:29 pm
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Again, the size of the run that requires an EL is way too high. Maybe, if SS doesn't want to raise prices for the buyers, or give submitters a pay raise, they should lower the print run to 100,000, so that it results in more ELs for we peons. |
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suwanneeredhead
Joined: 28 Jul 2005
Posts: 1181
Location: Dante's Peak
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:35 am
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| evaners wrote: | | Again, the size of the run that requires an EL is way too high. Maybe, if SS doesn't want to raise prices for the buyers, or give submitters a pay raise, they should lower the print run to 100,000, so that it results in more ELs for we peons. |
+1 most definitely |
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gabes1976
Joined: 30 Jan 2011
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:34 pm
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I just found out one of my images is the background of a book cover, too. Is there a way to find out how many copies were printed?
Also, do they have to pay for the image again if they use the book cover image in other situations, or can they just buy the image once and use it anywhere?
The image only sold twice. Once on Shutterstock for $.25, and once on DT for $.35.
http://www.art-fulleadership.com/2012/04/11/announcing-book-cover/#comment-221 |
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klsbear
Joined: 13 Jun 2009
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:29 pm
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I asked a friend of mine in the publishing industry if she had any insight on how to find out the size of a print run and here is her response.
| Quote: | Publishers inflate the stated print run of a book to make it appear "hotter" than it actually may be. The publisher and their printer are the only two entities that would know and they do not give this number out. The subject of royalties even to the author based on print and sell through is very messy and murky. I can say that a print run of 250,000 plus would be a "big" book and would most certainly land on a bestseller list somewhere, USA Today, Amazon, NYT, etc...
Most print runs are 5,000 - 20,000 of a book until it takes off and then pubs order in increments of 5 - 10,000 as demand warrants. |
Not easy to find out the size of a printing for any given book but most likely it's under the limit for needing an EL unless it's a best seller. |
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jeffbanke
Joined: 18 Dec 2005
Posts: 17518
Location: www.xlr8photo.com, The real California
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:49 am
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I have found a couple of my images on the front cover of books, don't know how many were sold, don't really care, just nice to find them. |
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rinder99
Joined: 12 Jul 2005
Posts: 39645
Location: Contact www.rinderart.com/Books and Workshops www.rindersmithphotography.com Youtube/rinder
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:43 pm
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About a month ago. a very large Publishing company [Random House] wrote and wanted to know how I wanted for the rights to use an Image they saw on my website. It was for the cover of a celebrity's book along with an E-book. I said $2,000. they said no. I said OK.
evidently the celeb wants that image, They called back and offered $200.00. I said, I'll get back to ya. I then called a publisher friend in england and told her the story. She said the going Price Now is $200/$300 and advised me to take it. I did. better than $28.00 I guess and, I demanded a credit and my web address.Also 2 signed copies by the writer. |
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gabes1976
Joined: 30 Jan 2011
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:05 pm
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Thanks guys! Sounds like I should just appreciate the fact that my image was picked for the cover. $28 WOULD be nice though. |
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