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dawalt2002


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:41 pm     Reply with quote

Trying another image. Not sure if the composition is too much of a snapshot

Comments/suggestions greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.



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dawalt2002


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:42 pm     Reply with quote

Additional crops


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rinder99


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:42 pm     Reply with quote

need a crop on the eyes ...not the tail or bark. Thats not the subject.
dawalt2002


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:44 pm     Reply with quote

Sorry. Uploaded the wrong crop. Should be there now.
ruxpriencdiam


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:47 pm     Reply with quote

Soft.
jhuls


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:10 am     Reply with quote

dawalt2002 wrote:
Sorry. Uploaded the wrong crop. Should be there now.


still looks the same to me. Needs to be on the birds eye
dawalt2002


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:49 am     Reply with quote

Crop1 (3rd picture) is a 100% of the first photo.

I understand the "soft" comment and some of this may be due to the f stop that i was using. I need to experiment with this lens to find it's "sweet spot" since going back and honestly looking, a lot of the pictures are not what I expected.

To sharpen it up a bit, do you have any suggestions (other than to get it right from the shot).

Would also appreciated any comments on the composition. I thought about cropping down, but is it better to upload an uncropped photo and let the buyer crop or to do it myself.

Thanks again for all of your suggestions. I really appreciate the honest feedback.
wiml


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:30 am     Reply with quote

dawalt2002 wrote:
To sharpen it up a bit, do you have any suggestions (other than to get it right from the shot).


Downsize. I think around 20% should do in this case. Pop it a bit with sat/contr.
I like the 100% crop for composition, no obstructions in background, more bird, less environment. It might get rejected just for this reason.
No noise so that's ok but watch out with blue color cast and fringing (tree bark)
Always show crop on eye for peoples/animals.

Good luck mate!



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dawalt2002


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:53 am     Reply with quote

Thanks for the feedback. Was exactly what I was looking for. Trying to get myself grounded with the basics and then will work on pulling the images together for submission.

Not always the sharpest tool in the shed, so thanks for being patient.
digigandalf


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:11 am     Reply with quote

The 100% crop is what you should shoot for as a full-size image. Or close to that.
jhuls


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:23 am     Reply with quote

I think the confusion it that it is not 100% crop so we just are thinking it is another image. If it is 100% crop then this is too small to submit. A true 100% crop will only show a very small portion of the head and eye not almost the whole body of the bird.

We can't really give you good critiques without 100% crop. If you image is out of focus then there is little you can do to save it. If it is only slightly soft then yes downsizing can help and a little sharpening can help but if it is even just slightly more than a little off the reviewers will know you sharpened it and they will reject it for oversharpening.

Here is what a 100% crop should look like and what a reasonably sharp photo should look like:



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dawalt2002


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:59 am     Reply with quote

Thanks. I think we are saying the same thing :).

My 100% crop of the bird is what the composition of the picture should have been instead of the full log and background (thanks wiml, digigandalf and jhuls for pointing this out), and if I recomposed this photo to what was suggested, a 100% crop would only show the eye.

With that said, I'll take a look at this again and play around with the image (more from a learning perspective). This probably will not fly since the crop would really reduce the image too much and there won't be enough detail.

Again, thanks again for all of your comments! I really appreciate them. Now I have to just get out there and take some pictures.
semmickphoto


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:50 am     Reply with quote

dawalt2002 wrote:


With that said, I'll take a look at this again and play around with the image (more from a learning perspective). This probably will not fly since the crop would really reduce the image too much and there won't be enough detail.


A 100% crop doesnt remove any details. Its just a smaller part of the original photo. You wont have enough pixels to pass the minimum of 4MP, though.
dawalt2002


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:34 pm     Reply with quote

Thanks. That's more or less what I meant. I'll get it yet.

Thanks again to everyone who commented.
semmickphoto


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:45 pm     Reply with quote

You are welcome, now get out there and make it happen :)
 
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