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robhainer


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Post Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 7:39 am     Reply with quote

I generally avoid doing photos like this mainly because I tend to get weird banding effects where the colors change from red, magenta, pink purple to white, especially in out-of-focus areas. On the flower itself, it's a more gradual change. Is there anything that can be done about this? This was shot with a Nikon D7000, Nikon 105 AF-D micro, raw with no adjustments at all. If I were to increase the vibrance, saturation or contrast at all, the banding-artifacting gets even worse.


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ruxpriencdiam


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Post Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 9:47 am     Reply with quote

I believe i see what you are talking about.

You shot at f/16 and SS 0.6 perhaps Diffraction related?

Seems a bit long on the SS

Did you use an off camera flash?

Here is a crop of a recent red/pink/white/ azalea i recently did at f/11 SS 1/200 with off camera flash.



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robhainer


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Post Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 9:56 am     Reply with quote

No. I used a diffuser on the available light, tripod, remote release, mirror lockup, etc. I needed f16 to get the three things in the middle all in focus. They are sharp, so I don't think it's diffraction. The banding occurs in out-of-focus areas. The little solid lines of purple where it's supposed to be a softer transition from color to white. It's jarring.


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ruxpriencdiam


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Post Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 10:06 am     Reply with quote

Here is a link that you may not have known about that may help you some.

http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=84079&start=0
rinder99


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Post Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 3:27 pm     Reply with quote

Just as in film, the longer you can keep the shutter open the more saturation you get. Maybe thats it..Bleed over?? other than That I got nothing else.
mattgibson


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Post Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 1:17 am     Reply with quote

Hey Rob,

I also get this issue sometimes shooting with D700. What setting is your camera on? Landscape or vivid right? It seems this pushes the saturation so far that when there is a big shift from colour to white then this happens. I get it all the time.

Go into RAW converter and change camera setting to Adobe Standard, sometimes it works for me, and then you can adjust saturation once in PS without the banding.

Hope this helps
robhainer


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Post Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 8:07 am     Reply with quote

I appreciate the tip. The posted image was shot raw, imported into lightroom with adobe standard preset (acr), with no virbrance, saturation or contrast added. I think the sensor is just incapable of rendering the fine difference in the transition. It seems to happen most in pinks and reds. I'm shooting more today, and I'm going to do it with flash and faster shutter speeds to see if that helps.
jeffbanke


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Post Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 4:05 pm     Reply with quote

mattgibson wrote:
Hey Rob,

I also get this issue sometimes shooting with D700. What setting is your camera on? Landscape or vivid right? It seems this pushes the saturation so far that when there is a big shift from colour to white then this happens. I get it all the time.

Go into RAW converter and change camera setting to Adobe Standard, sometimes it works for me, and then you can adjust saturation once in PS without the banding.

Hope this helps


Matt,
I don't believe that the camera setting have any effect on the image when saving as a RAW file in camera, obviously as you correctly pointed out one can make the selection post shooting in ACR

I find Standard or even NEutral on sensitive subjects works well
 
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